The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[sjk]

Aren't we supposed to have reached herd immunity by 70 or 75% - so the other 25% should be protected anyway?

Perhaps worth bearing in mind that no one knows and no one can possibly know what the threshold for herd immunity actually is.

 

[jakeseven7]

Aren't we supposed to have reached herd immunity by 70 or 75% - so the other 25% should be protected anyway?

No…..as has been explained previously and also remember a % of vaccinated will still get sick as well.

 

[jase05]

Yes please!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414682412127227918

 

[MooTime]

Don't like Dan the Man at all, but saying 75% is not enough I totally agree with.

The more you read/research about varying herd immunity 75% won't cut it, with the varients of covid & how contagious / fleeting they are & how deadly they can be, it's much more like 90% required.
But of course there's no exact figure, it's all scientific risk assessment etc.
We have 75-80% bandied about cos it's somewhat within reach if pushed.
If the science buffs speaking for the gov come out with 90% we'd be stuffed & so many would just give up.

 

[mviy]

Personally I think 75% is an optimistic amount. We should be aiming for a higher percentage than that in the over 70s but overall 75% is high.

If we are to push up to 75% and beyond there needs to be incentives provided to get vaccinated. The Feds have been crying out for state border closures to not apply to the vaccinated, but the states aren’t ready to provide that incentive.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So vaccines easy to get for some?

A Sydney man, who today received his fourth dose of a coronavirus vaccine, has said he doubled up on AstraZeneca and Pfizer to give him greater immunity against the worrying disease.​

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Tom Lee, a 34-year-old from Sydney, told news.com.au he was feeling “fine” after his second Pfizer dose this afternoon.​

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Mr Lee posted his double vaccination status to Twitter this afternoon after getting his final Pfizer dose at NSW Health’s Sydney Olympic Park mass vaccination hub.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414551009632800771

Sydney man gets four covid vaccinations

A Sydney man, who today received his fourth dose of a coronavirus vaccine, has said he doubled up on AstraZeneca and Pfizer to give him greater immunity against the worrying disease.

www.news.com.au

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414579799004119041

 

[dajop]

Yes please!

Incentives help.

Here in Singapore most people travel internationally, even if it’s for some only making the short trip across the causeway into Malaysia to do some shopping and have dinner. So I think most people are incentivised by this alone - strong desire to get off the island.

Current rates of having first shots are >85% amongst 45-69 yos, and in the groups that started getting vaccinated much later, 40-44 yos at ~82% and 75% and still climbing fast in the 12-39 yo age group.

But interestingly the 70+ age group has tapered at 70% and they were the first to be offered vaccinations. Various reasons for this but one may be less mobility (less likely to want to travel).

 

[burmans]

Of course, different cultural experiences in Asia too. As has been well documented a greater desire to do things that benefit society whereas we westerners tend to be more about the individual, i.e. what's good for us.

 

[drron]

Herd immunity can occur at different levels with different viruses.This article explains this in relation to Covid and does mention the 70% figure.

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Protecting Health, Saving Lives—Millions at a Time

www.jhsph.edu

However a real world experiment was done in Brazil where in the town of Serrana they attempted mass vaccination.They eventually acheived a 95% rate of vaccination.
However they noticed once they passed 75% the rate of hospitalisations and deaths started to plummet.They used the Sinovac vaccine.

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But note that in places such as Indonesia which is using Sinovac case numbers began to explode once the delta variant arose,So the level for the delta variant is probably a lot higher than the previous Brazil variant which was common when this study was done.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Uk is above 85% first dose

 

[burmans]

Uk is above 85% first dose

That’s above 85% of the ADULT population not the entire population. The two are very different and unfortunately there are many who don’t understand or make that differentiation.

 

[dajop]

Of course, different cultural experiences in Asia too. As has been well documented a greater desire to do things that benefit society whereas we westerners tend to be more about the individual, i.e. what's good for us.

Although there is a lot of variation amongst “westerners”. My observations (before Covid) as someone who has lived outside Australia for >10 years that Australians (and even more so NZ’ers) are much more likely to talk about “we” and do thing collaboratively than many other westerners.

Covid has also highlighted that - I doubt that many other western countries would have rolled their sleeves up and put up with the sorts of restrictions Vic did last year for so long - there were some minor protests and a few outliers, but by and large people just got the job done.

For this reason - if the government eventually gets the vaccination roll out right and the messaging - I think 85% + of those eligible to receive the vaccine is a realistic target.

 

[oznflfan]

Of course, different cultural experiences in Asia too. As has been well documented a greater desire to do things that benefit society whereas we westerners tend to be more about the individual, i.e. what's good for us.

Also referred to as 'Bugger you Jack, I'm alright'

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I'm

That’s above 85% of the ADULT population not the entire population. The two are very different and unfortunately there are many who don’t understand or make that differentiation.

Just trying to promote that a figure above 80% is possible - don't shoot the messenger. It might be relevant for vaccine herd figures the whole population, but Australia is just as the take up stage and any relevant figure (even just of those eligible) warrants praise to be a relevant (aspirational) goal. Let's talk it up.

 

[burmans]

I'm

Just trying to promote that a figure above 80% is possible - don't shoot the messenger. It might be relevant for vaccine herd figures the whole population, but Australia is just as the take up stage and any relevant figure (even just of those eligible) warrants praise to be a relevant (aspirational) goal. Let's talk it up.

Sure I get it, but relevant that the UK have in fact realised they will need to vaccinate more than just adults to get to a reasonable level.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Sure I get it, but relevant that the UK have in fact realised they will need to vaccinate more than just adults to get to a reasonable level.

Thanks - well with 85% of adults - hopefully we get more than 85% of kids.

 

[burmans]

Although there is a lot of variation amongst “westerners”. My observations (before Covid) as someone who has lived outside Australia for >10 years that Australians (and even more so NZ’ers) are much more likely to talk about “we” and do thing collaboratively than many other westerners.

Covid has also highlighted that - I doubt that many other western countries would have rolled their sleeves up and put up with the sorts of restrictions Vic did last year for so long - there were some minor protests and a few outliers, but by and large people just got the job done.

For this reason - if the government eventually gets the vaccination roll out right and the messaging - I think 85% + of those eligible to receive the vaccine is a realistic target.

Yeah I'd agree with this, the UK for example much better at pulling together than the US.

On a side note, anyone here heard the video circulating on Youtube, 'stay the cough* at home'. Some would say a bit too 'Ocker', but you'd have to think this sort of thing would work much better than any government messaging if applied to the vaccine.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Yeah I'd agree with this, the UK for example much better at pulling together than the US.

On a side note, anyone here heard the video circulating on Youtube, 'stay the cough* at home'. Some would say a bit too 'Ocker', but you'd have to think this sort of thing would work much better than any government messaging if applied to the vaccine.

That’s from last year? I think it would resonate quite well.

 

[dk4]

Personally I think the preoccupation with herd immunity is a bit of a misdirection. I think Dan Andrews might have got it right the other week, when he said that the time to remove restrictions and start living with the virus, should be at the point when everyone who wants a vaccine* has completed their vaccination course.

This can be observed at some point in time after the unrestricted supply of the vaccine outstrips demand... and at that point, whether we have hit 60% or the 75, 80, 85% level, or not, is kind of irrelevant - if the percentage left doesn't want to take a vaccine, then it ain't going to get any higher (although opening up itself, may make some of those hesitant, go get a jab).

* noting any resistances that may develop in future mutations that make make one vaccine or another ineffective.
AND that those who want to travel internationally may need to get an additional course of vaccinations, as the countries they want to travel to may not accept the vaccine which they have taken, as valid in their destination jurisdictions.

 

[burmans]

That’s from last year? I think it would resonate quite well.

Not sure when it was created but only recently posted and half a million views!