The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

As always blame someone else rather than admit they did not have enough of the alternate option.
and if the PM got alternate options, but AZ worked well without the clotting issue, then you'd be saying why the PM waste money on getting all these alternate options when we got AZ which we can make here ourselves.

Hindsight a beautiful thing.
 
I’d just like to see the vax program pickup some momentum. All we have been getting is promises about the future. No-one is saying that money has been wasted. Just get the vax moving.

Edit: Also, what’s with telling other AFFers what they would be complaining about, in scenarios that have never actually happened?
 
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Pfizer almost certainly will not manufacture their vaccines in Australia.Pfizer's policy is to always manufacture their products themselves.Basically will not give out licences for other companies to manufacture for them.So why would they set up a manufacturing plant in Australia that would take years to build and a total export market of Australia,NZ and Pacific Islands.
Whereas Singapore would see the facility built a lot quicker and convenient to the much larger market of Asia.

Then I came across this article on Pfizer's marketing tactics with their Covid vaccine.


Another reason why i do not like Pfizer.
Yeah, you have made it painfully obvious you don’t like Pfizer but that’s not a good enough excuse for what has happened.
 
Pfizer almost certainly will not manufacture their vaccines in Australia.Pfizer's policy is to always manufacture their products themselves.Basically will not give out licences for other companies to manufacture for them.So why would they set up a manufacturing plant in Australia that would take years to build and a total export market of Australia,NZ and Pacific Islands.
Whereas Singapore would see the facility built a lot quicker and convenient to the much larger market of Asia.

Then I came across this article on Pfizer's marketing tactics with their Covid vaccine.


Another reason why i do not like Pfizer.
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought Pfizer bought a facility in Adelaide ages ago.
 
and if the PM got alternate options, but AZ worked well without the clotting issue, then you'd be saying why the PM waste money on getting all these alternate options when we got AZ which we can make here ourselves.

Hindsight a beautiful thing.
As anyone in business will tell you it’s always possible to get options to buy without having to actually but. Yes there is a cost but fairly minimal compared to the costs we are now incurring. So no, I wouldn’t be complaining about what was then and still is now good risk management practice.

Risk management is ALWAYS good practice, not wishful thinking and hoping for the best.
 
As always blame someone else rather than admit they did not have enough of the alternate option.
All very well in hindsight. At the time Astra Zeneca cost a fraction of Pfizer and we could manufacture it onshore making us independent of crises in other countries. I can see why they went that way.

ATAGI has been very cautious but there are many countries using only AZ and way ahead of us in the vaccination stakes.

I get my second jab of AZ tomorrow and can’t wait.
 
Astra Zeneca cost a fraction of Pfizer

This is unfortunately the likley main reason why they banked so heavily on AZ, penny pinching which has cost us far more now. The cheapest option is rarely the best.
 
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought Pfizer bought a facility in Adelaide ages ago.
They did - I know a few people who work there

 
This is unfortunately the likley main reason why they banked so heavily on AZ, penny pinching which has cost us far more now. The cheapest option is rarely the best.
I think that is a bit harsh. We knew they could punch out a million doses a week. Locally. No international transits. Which would have been gold. Media got in the way along with poor messaging.
 
All very well in hindsight. At the time Astra Zeneca cost a fraction of Pfizer and we could manufacture it onshore making us independent of crises in other countries. I can see why they went that way.

ATAGI has been very cautious but there are many countries using only AZ and way ahead of us in the vaccination stakes.

I get my second jab of AZ tomorrow and can’t wait.
Yeah it’s not as if we don’t know that vaccine’s might have health problems - it’s happened plenty of times before, in fact many if not most do. That’s why we have options where we can.

And sorry not relevant that you have had AZ (for completeness I have too) it’s not going to have even 0.00001% impact on whether others do.
 
Yeah it’s not as if we don’t know that vaccine’s might have health problems - it’s happened plenty of times before, in fact many if not most do. That’s why we have options where we can.

And sorry not relevant that you have had AZ (for completeness I have too) it’s not going to have even 0.00001% impact on whether others do.
I wasn’t trying to be relevant - just excited :)
 
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought Pfizer bought a facility in Adelaide ages ago.
Which backs up what I said.They own their own manufacturing plants.Here is their press release announcing it's purchase.it was a single drug plant.

But they sold out.Ironically to the firm that is the favourite to manufacture the Moderna vaccine if they go ahead with manufacturing in Australia.
 
This is unfortunately the likley main reason why they banked so heavily on AZ, penny pinching which has cost us far more now. The cheapest option is rarely the best.
Astra Zeneca were very moral and ethical and committed to not making a profit out of the pandemic. Pfizer is maximising profit. It’s not a case of who is the best or who is cheap.
 
And my comment was about Pfizer which is a for profit business not a NFP or charity. The fact a business makes a profit isnt a bad thing, they arent selling harm.
 
I’d just like to see the vax program pickup some momentum. All we have been getting is promises about the future. No-one is saying that money has been wasted. Just get the vax moving.

Edit: Also, what’s with telling other AFFers what they would be complaining about, in scenarios that have never actually happened?
We'd all like it to pick up momentum & only seems to when there's a covid case's jump.
One thing you can be sure of is people love to hammer / complain the gov on wasting our money. Is it not a pet hate of Aussies?

Australia has entered into 5 separate agreements to secure more than 195 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines, if they prove to be safe and effective.
2 currently approved by TGA.

With AZ being manufactured here in Aus, alas the clotting which has deterred such a large cohort of fence sitters.

I think with a pop of 25M & ordered nearly 200Million doses we've done rather well.

I dare say Moderna will have it's slow start as many will prefer known & widely used Pfizer.

atm minimal incentive for many to get the jab.
 
And my comment was about Pfizer which is a for profit business not a NFP or charity. The fact a business makes a profit isnt a bad thing, they arent selling harm.
You were saying AZ was cheap and inferring cheap meant bad. I was explaining why AZ was cheap - they elected not to make a profit during a pandemic while reserving the right to make a profit later.

anyway that’s enough from me - I don’t want to take part in one of your interminable arguments.
 
Which is the goal of business.
Yes, sure - so you are directly stating that Pfizer's goal in this particular context is to profit as much as possible from the misery of the COVID pandemic irrespective how many more deaths such action may incur - and you are OK with that?
 
If we are to get some of our freedoms back it's becoming increasingly clear we need to get more of the elderly vaccinated. Whether that's convincing them to get AZ or deciding that the anti-vax campaign against AZ has succeeded and opening up Pfizer to the over 60s.

 
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