The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

Did you get any warning about checking with the doctor if you take blood thinners? Some friends have got appointments in the ACT for a few weeks time and that was one of the items on the list that was emailed to them. Not that you couldn’t have it but just to discuss with the doctor prior to vaccination.
Ive checked with GP and I just need to make sure I dont take it right before the appointment. Its just to ensure they place a bit more pressure after the vaccination and not rub as that will spread the bruise. Blood tests are the worst but needles are usually fine although one pharmacist did manage to pop a capillary during one flu shot (just random bad luck) and it sprayed blood all over the cabinet. I'm used to bruises these days!
 
You continue to get it terribly wrong, time and time again.

Let me address all of your errors, one at a time.



The vaccination roll out in Australia should be proceeding at a faster rate than other countries because we have had time to set up the roll-out infrastructure & because we are not doing it under emergency conditions. In the US & UK, for example, they have to manage the vaccination roll-out in conditions where they are simultaneously trying to manage COVID-19 outbreaks. They are trying to walk and chew gum at the same time. We are failing to even walk.
Why should it be faster.Makes much more sense for it to be faster when you have an emergency.Europe.the US and Israel all have the capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time.Though Europe seems to be hampered by inflexible laws.
No vaccination roll-out program is perfect. No one ever claimed that they would be or could be. We cannot even get our program started. A far worse position to be in.
We certainly have started but unlike the US and Europe we are not a major centre for vaccine manufacture.
Israel cut a deal which I am sure would have been harder to do here.
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A deal with Pfizer​


The Israeli government struck a deal with Pfizer for accelerated access to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, in return for providing the anonymised age, sex and demographic data of vaccinated people. This is made possible by the fact that Israel has a universal healthcare system and each person has a digitised health record.


The country also has the health infrastructure and logistics to deliver the vaccines. The occupied territories, meanwhile, have a different healthcare system."
It is not suiting our circumstances. Our circumstances require us to roll out the vaccination program as quickly as is safely possible because, without mass vaccinations, we are:
- letting billion dollar industries die (eg tourism, education) leaving tens of thousands of people out of work
- risking rolling lock downs & panics over lock downs every time a COVID-19 case escapes from hotel quarantine
- forcing families to be separated & for persons to miss important life events (births, deaths, marriages, etc).
But you don't make any allowances for the problems of vaccine supply.Pfizer being delivered at about 30% of the rate agreed in the contract.Very little of the AZ 3.8 million doses that were due to have been delivered by March have arrived.
The problems you say are due to the lack of vaccination have in no small part been due to our own actions via the State Premiers.There has been no indication to slam borders shut in the last 6 months as the number of cases hadn't reached the numbers for a hotspot apart from the Northern Beaches.And that should have resulted in just that area being quarantined.
I'll ignore the rest of your remark which shows your inability to understand that Australia's botched roll-out is having massive economic consequences and therefore is in the domain of economics.

To answer your question, the economics profession was one of the first to call for border & school closures to stop the spread of the virus. They were some of the people you should be thanking for Australia's great performance in containing the virus. Would you like to make an apology?
But there were many economists saying the exact opposite.
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Australian GPs are now having to resort to writing op-eds to draw attention to how bad the roll-out is proceeding.
That is already a problem in Australia and is one of the problems of our medical system with a strong independent primary medical system.However although this can be a problem our medical system is amongst the best in the world.
As to GPs writing op-eds well not all make that much sense.Surely GP practices also should have realised that they needed to up their preparations for vaccinations in many ways.
Some have done a very good job as evidenced by some of the posts here.Some are totally unprepared.
Not helped by the fact that nearly all the 6 million in 1b want to be vaccinated in the first week.
 
Not helped by the fact that nearly all the 6 million in 1b want to be vaccinated in the first week.
Yes, but the Govt has not discouraged that (until now)...
 
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Yes, but the Govt has not discouraged that (until now)...
Anyone else starting to find this stampede for vaccinations a little like the toilet roll wars :) :).

I have to admit I am quite keen to see Ms FM vaccinated as I always worry about her, but I am not even bothering to find out whether my own health issues bump me up. Will wait for my group - made easier for me by the fact that Canberra has never had any community spread, but I still think this feels a bit like toilet roll hysteria ......
 
You continue to get it terribly wrong, time and time again.

maybe I'm not the only one :rolleyes: ....

No vaccination roll-out program is perfect. No one ever claimed that they would be or could be. We cannot even get our program started.

Did you not notice that phase 1a started a few weeks ago and has chugged along, in spite of Europe with-holding supplies? ;) I think I'll play nice and leave the rest, except, as its sometimes said - "no vaccination roll-out program is perfect"!

Sorry, must add: great work by that other economics perfesser a year ago!! As I'm always willing to read the scribblings of movers & shakers, I held my nose and checked out his Twitter thingy. Oh, dear. Talk about the dismal science, or, maybe, just dismal.
 
Well tomorrow we will probably ring around and see if anyone will give us an appointment for the end of April.
 
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Well tomorrow we will probably ring around and see if anyone will give us an appointment for the end of April.
Seems for the online stuff that mid April is the cut off.
Do we have to go to the same place for Vaccination 2. It seems that at that point, for AZ which will be mid June for those starting Monday, that those people will be coming back into the system, plus all the people in group 2a. Log jam.
 
that those people will be coming back into the system, plus all the people in group 2a. Log jam.
That's where if we don't have reliable international shipments arriving it will really hurt. If we need most of the locally manufactured supplies to guarantee second doses on time, international shipments would help to give more people their first dose.
 
Seems for the online stuff that mid April is the cut off.
Do we have to go to the same place for Vaccination 2. It seems that at that point, for AZ which will be mid June for those starting Monday, that those people will be coming back into the system, plus all the people in group 2a. Log jam.
Though thats when the Novavax vaccine is due to start arriving and just over 50 million of those ordered.
 
Though thats when the Novavax vaccine is due to start arriving and just over 50 million of those ordered.
So what can the EU do to prevent that happening? Anything?
 
Only it's a bit more important...
Of course it is. However according to our local health minister people have been phoning doctors’ surgeries and being abusive to receptionists and that’s not necessary and really evokes the scenes in supermarkets last year.
 
Though thats when the Novavax vaccine is due to start arriving and just over 50 million of those ordered.
Aren’t a lot of those potentially manufactured by CSL but not at the same time as the AstraZeneca?
 
Well it is an American company and so far has licensed production in Canada,Japan and South Korea so that is all good.

On top of that it has performed well in trials including 60% against the South african strain in HIV negative patients and 50% in Hiv positive patients.

PS.Plus 1.1 billion doses to be manufactured in India.
 
To those who say it is too slow - I understand your frustrations what is the solution when there is no more supply to be had at this time?
 
The government should have engaged CSL earlier to start producing vaccines back in November/December.
 

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