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@drron, the more of your ordeal I read, the more horrified I become. If this can happen to you and @mrs.dr.ron - astute and experienced travellers, it could happen to anyone. It is truly a cautionary tale.
@drron, the more of your ordeal I read, the more horrified I become. If this can happen to you and @mrs.dr.ron - astute and experienced travellers, it could happen to anyone. It is truly a cautionary tale.
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Yes it was clear that the prosecutor was behind it all. However the International Convention on human rights is just a statement. It has no teeth. But there are several codicils to the convention which many countries have not signed but can claim they have signed the main convention.
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I don't know the context of the post, @sjk, or the meaning of the final comment.For the J readers amongst you:
We were able to get a lot (most?) of the original reports deleted.2024年7月20日、小樽市色内2丁目で乗用車と原付バイクが衝突する事故がありました。 事故があったのは小樽市色内2丁目にある信号機のある交差点です。
20日正午ごろ、レンタカーの乗用車が交差点を右折した時、後ろからきた原付バイクに衝突しました。 この事故で、原付バイクを運転していた53歳の男性が病院に搬送されましたが、鎖骨などを骨折するけがをしました。
警察は乗用車を運転していたオーストラリア国籍の77歳の男を過失運転致傷の疑いで現行犯逮捕しました。 調べによると、乗用車は交差点内で大きくふくらんで右折したため、後続の原付バイクを巻き込んだということです。
乗用車を運転していたオーストラリア国籍の男は観光で訪れていたということで、調べに対し「間違いありません」と容疑を認めているということです。 警察が事故の詳しい状況を調べています。
Translation:
<On July 20, 2024, there was an accident in which a passenger car and a moped collided in Ironai 2-chome, Otaru City. The accident occurred at an intersection with a traffic light in Ironai 2-chome, Otaru City.
Around noon on the 20th, a rental car turned right at an intersection when it collided with a moped coming from behind. In this accident, a 53-year-old man who was driving a moped was taken to the hospital, but suffered injuries including a broken collarbone.
Police arrested a 77-year-old Australia national who was driving the passenger car on suspicion of causing death by negligent driving. According to the investigation, the passenger car bulged out and turned right in the intersection, causing the following mopeds to become involved.
The Australian man who was driving the passenger car was visiting for sightseeing and admitted to the investigation, saying, "There is no doubt." Police are investigating the details of the accident.>
I suspect a lot of these "travel sections" in some way depend on tourism for their content. So its a case of dont bite the hand that feeds you.contact travel sections from the various newspapers here in Australia
Which I think suggests the experience can be as equally as harrowing for Japanese nationals, albeit they don't have the extra issue of the language barrier, or a possible bias against foreigners.have seen this already
My take on the initial post was that drron was turning right and the moped sped up on the right side to pass him. Given Japan drives on the left side of the road like we do here in Australia, when would such a pass not put fault on the moped? Even regardless of the turn, did the moped not slow down when the vehicle ahead also slowed down, was the moped always intending to overtake drron's car from within the same lane?but from reading the initial posts I think I have a reasonable idea of the situation.
In Australia a turning vehicle has to give way and take care, and i suspect one might end up with a negligent driving charge in a similar situation no matter the speed of the vehicle behind
Local versus foreigner. Local 'wins'.Given Japan drives on the left side of the road like we do here in Australia, when would such a pass not put fault on the moped?
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That is a universal "truth", as my brother found out in Tanzania when his Land cruiser was destroyed by a truck going the other way. The truck driver said he swerved to miss a pothole!! and my brother got the ticket. And as a local resident his Swahili was excellent. Basically in that case the police decided the foreigner could afford the hit.Local versus foreigner. Local 'wins'.
For the J readers amongst you:
2024年7月20日、小樽市色内2丁目で乗用車と原付バイクが衝突する事故がありました。 事故があったのは小樽市色内2丁目にある信号機のある交差点です。
20日正午ごろ、レンタカーの乗用車が交差点を右折した時、後ろからきた原付バイクに衝突しました。 この事故で、原付バイクを運転していた53歳の男性が病院に搬送されましたが、鎖骨などを骨折するけがをしました。
警察は乗用車を運転していたオーストラリア国籍の77歳の男を過失運転致傷の疑いで現行犯逮捕しました。 調べによると、乗用車は交差点内で大きくふくらんで右折したため、後続の原付バイクを巻き込んだということです。
乗用車を運転していたオーストラリア国籍の男は観光で訪れていたということで、調べに対し「間違いありません」と容疑を認めているということです。 警察が事故の詳しい状況を調べています。
We were able to get a lot (most?) of the original reports deleted.
Translation:
<On July 20, 2024, there was an accident in which a passenger car and a moped collided in Ironai 2-chome, Otaru City. The accident occurred at an intersection with a traffic light in Ironai 2-chome, Otaru City.
Around noon on the 20th, a rental car turned right at an intersection when it collided with a moped coming from behind. In this accident, a 53-year-old man who was driving a moped was taken to the hospital, but suffered injuries including a broken collarbone.
Thanks for the content @sjk - can you provide more information on the source of this?Police arrested a 77-year-old Australia national who was driving the passenger car on suspicion of causing death by negligent driving. According to the investigation, the passenger car bulged out and turned right in the intersection, causing the following mopeds to become involved.
The Australian man who was driving the passenger car was visiting for sightseeing and admitted to the investigation, saying, "There is no doubt." Police are investigating the details of the accident.>
The following link quotes from a now-deleted article:Thanks for the content @sjk - can you provide more information on the source of this?
That is a wild site!The following link quotes from a now-deleted article:
【オーストラリア】乗用車と衝突し原付バイクの男性が骨折 観光で訪れていた乗用車運転のオーストラリア男性(77)を逮捕 : 大岡庁リベラル通信社
2024年7月20日、小樽市色内2丁目で乗用車と原付バイクが衝突する事故がありました。 事故があったのは小樽市色内2丁目にある信号機のある交差点です。 20日正午ごろ、レンタカーの乗用車が交差点を右折した時、後ろからきた原付バイクに衝突しました。 この事blog.livedoor.jp
If you Google the first part 「2024年7月20日、小樽市色内2丁目で乗用車」you will find a number of defunct links. It was widely reported in the local press, albeit as a comparatively minor incident.
Really sorry to hear about all this . Japan used to be my favourite destination .This is a report that I never thought I would write. We have had close to 100 visits to Japan and have loved Japan. In our drive around Hokkaido the first 3 weeks were very enjoyable. Then at 11.47 on Saturday 20th July things changed dramatically. I had a car accident. We had had a late start and first we were headed for the Ryugo shrine before proceeding up the hill be hind Otaru. We didn't make it.
I had started to turn right onto the street leading to the shrine when a delivery motorcycle appeared on my right and clipped the front of our car. I had checked several times since turning left into the street I was on and not once did i see a motorcycle behind me. I had checked the rear vision mirror twice and the driver's mirror before turning. I had indicated late though. But I was told I broke 2 Japanese driving laws. First not looking behind me when making a right hand law. I checked and it is indeed a law. Though after this I never saw a Japanese driver obey this law including drivers of police vehicles.
The second law I was told i broke was to only make a right hand turn as close as possible to the right side of the lane. Although I was in the lane I was closer to the left side. However searches I have done didn't bring this up as a law.
The police that attended the accident said they had vision from the cameras at the intersection behind me. They asked me how fast I was going and I said 40Kph which was the limit slowing to 20Kph as I started to turn. They confirmed those speeds were accurate. At 1339 Mrsdrron and I were taken in the police car to Otaru Police Station. At about 6pm I was taken in to be interviewed. After that I told Mrsdrron I might be a long time and may be there all night. So we called a taxi and she went back to the hotel..
I was then taken back for another interview and at 2043 was formally arrested for negligent driving causing injury. The interpreter who was the only one showing any empathy said he would go and tell Mrsdrron and bring her back to the station to make her statement and let her talk to me. But as soon as he left I was handcuffed and taken upstairs to the detention centre and strip searched. She never got to see me and was told She wouldn't be allowed to see me.
Up stairs everything I had was taken except for my underpants. Even my wedding ring was taken. i was given prison clothes. the pants though had the elastic removed so if i let go they ended below my knees. Because of my Haemochromatosis requiring venesections I have needle tracts in both arms. They also took extreme interest in a horizontal varicose vein in my upper right arm. I later learnt that they called it a tattoo. I did tell them of all my medical conditions but obviously they did not register with the detention staff. I also told them i was extremely worried for Mrsdrron who has traumatic amnesia after a fall in Singapore in Dec ember 2022. She can't make new memories.
I was the taken to a cell. The only things there were a roll of toilet paper and half a cardboard box. You were not allowed to take the toilet paper into the toilet. you could only take a few sheets. You were allowed to use the toilet paper to blow your nose but then it could not be flushed but put in the cardboard box. I then had to go and collect my Japanese bedding. Needless to say I did not sleep that night.
Next will be a little bit more of the accident and the police investigation.