The Dark side of Japan Tourism.

Oh my gosh!

We have visited Japan at least 25 - 30 times over the last 20 years for both skiing and sightseeing and it is one of our favourite countries. My +1 has only driven once, in Okinawa and we felt it was one of the safest countries to hire a car. How wrong we were!

I can’t imagine what you both must have gone through since that fateful day and I truly hope you have no lasting effects due to your awful ordeal. May your future travels bring only wonderful memories.
 
Jeez what a horrific experience and I'm sorry that you and your wife had to go through that.

Having spent a bit of time driving in Shikoku and Kyushu, I must admit I never once looked behind me while making a right-hand turn, or even thought to look behind me. It is so ingrained to just give way to approaching traffic, that motorbikes whizzing past on the wrong side wouldn't even be on my radar. Thanks for posting as a warning to others, although after reading this I don't think I want to drive in Japan again!
 
Further insights from Nagano Friend:
She also thinks as well, as the car was the bigger, the car driver was charged.
And if arrested and put in jail, their relatives are not told for days

She tells of a story where a drunk Gaijin tripped and fell onto a road and got run over by a Scooter. As the scooter was deemed larger the scooter rider was charged. Apocryphal but there you go.

She says the Japanese are happier if you act dumb and don't argue. Clueless tourists are usually treated well. When encountering the constabulary, being combative, even if right, just escalates things because it disrupts the way things are done.
 
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Wow...what a horrible experience and I'm so glad that you are both OK. I've never been keen on driving while overseas (except maybe the UK) and this story certainly reinforces that. All the best to you both.
 
She says the Japanese are happier if you act dumb and don't argue. Clueless tourists are usually treated well. When encountering the constabulary, being combative, even if right, just escalates things because it disrupts the way things are done.

Personally, I wouldn’t be inclined to be docile and simply sign something put in front of me that I couldn’t read.
 
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except maybe the UK
While nowhere near as bad as drron's incident, had a uni mate some 20yrs ago locked up in the UK overnight after being pulled over for a medium speeding incident (some 15-20mph over).

Apparently in the UK, police have discretion to either send you to a magistrate or fine by notice. Believe in this case the officer didn't take kindly to an argument offered that he shouldn't fine my friend because if he did he would just go back to Australia in a month and not pay it.. and so decided on a Fri afternoon that he would send my friend down the court path, knowing that a magistrate was unlikely available at the time.

Also heard a few stories from Thailand where after an accident with a local you might need to be concerned about other locals wanting to enact revenge, and then the police.
 
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The notions of justice - impartiality, due process, presumption of innocence, etc , unfortunately varies in different jurisdictions.
Most of the time there is no interactions with the law - out of sight out of mind which is half the problem.
Trigger warning - my post discusses an example of the legal treatment of stillbirth overseas

Yes we are well aware of this after a string of cautions from Seat Son - who is a lawyer working in the UAE, each time we visit him. These revolve around being extremely cautious and avoiding accidents, incidents or anything that might attract attention, not saying anything that could be misconstrued (eg “I’m sorry” which is often taken to be an admission of liability), and immediately contacting him for help. Also, and particularly hard for me, to shut up and defer to Mr Seat 0A to answer questions etc, even if it’s my actions that caused the incident. In fact most firms in the UAE employing expats also employ a well-connected Emirati as a “fixer”. All this person does is take important people out for coffee and dates to build and sweeten relationships - until there is an issue. Then the fixer steps in and hopefully smooths things over with the local authorities.

Here’s a sad example of the things mentioned by @Quickstatus . A friend of Seat Son (Irish Expat) had the misfortune that his wife gave birth to a stillborn daughter a few months ago at 38 weeks. Instead of receiving the care and empathy usually shown in such devastatingly difficult circumstances in Western countries, he was told that he must report to the police station within 12 hrs of the birth for questioning. He was distraught of course, and also had a 2 year old son to make arrangements for. He was also worried about his legal position and asked Seat Son to go with him as his legal adviser. The thrust of the questioning seemed mainly to focus on the assumption by the local police that the stillbirth was in fact a deliberate late term abortion (illegal) of an undesirable female child, despite the hospital (a Western hospital, with expat doctors) furnishing a report that it was in their opinion a genuine stillbirth. He was eventually released, had to return twice more for further questioning and then a death certificate was issued and permit for repatriating the remains to Ireland.

I keep asking myself why Seat Son wants to live there, but I guess it’s golden handcuffs. I certainly would not want to live there and I feel anxious when I visit. For these sorts of reasons, I keep a Middle Eastern travel wardrobe of long, loose modest clothes, always have a headscarf to hand and rarely venture out without the ‘protection’ of my husband or my son. If it were not for my overwhelming desire to spend time with my son, I would really think twice about travelling here.

And this is why I find @drron’s experience so disturbing - we sort of expect that in the Middle East, but I for one did not expect that sort of treatment in Japan, for a relatively minor traffic incident. As many in here know, I have loved my 8 visits to Japan, and I have another booked for January 2025 - to Hokkaido 😱😱😱. I will for sure confine myself to public transport for this visit.
 
The Japanese legal system and how they detain people is truly one of the most horrid things about the country. My friends who live there are always terrified of a cop just having a bad day and a nationalist streak who wants to try and ping them for something and hold them with no charge.

Sorry you had to go through this, it sounds like a completely horrifying experience through and through.
 
A friend worked in PNG many years ago and was told that if you’re in an accident don’t stop and get out the hell of there for fear of retribution by locals.
Mr Seat 0A was told this when he went to PNG on a Government work trip some years back. Told to just keep going straight bck to his accommodation compound and call the Embassy. I believe they employed a “fixer.”
 
A friend worked in PNG many years ago and was told that if you’re in an accident don’t stop and get out the hell of there for fear of retribution by locals.
Same in rural India and rural China.

Our company policy, even for locals, is if you are involved in accident, where you can continue your journey do so and head straight to the police station to report, but do not ever stop. Or an angry mob could kill you.

Had an employee in China hit and kill a motorcyclist, who apparently drunk had just come straight onto a four lane highway into the path of our employee who had know chance to stop. News got around and soon there was violence on our employee. Saved by the police who locked him up for a week until (we presume) his family bribed his way out of it. Our HR wanted to fire the guys backside immediately, but luckily a foreigner (from US) was in the passenger seat, and another vehicle behind him with another local and foreigner who saw the whole thing happen and said our guy wasn't speeding and had no chance to stop.
 
Oh @drron and @mrs.dr.ron , I am so shocked at reading this awful ordeal you have both been through. What a frightening experience for both of you.
I have always enjoyed following along with your travels. I know you both have had a wonderful love for travelling and hope the awful treatment hasn't dampened your future travel plans.

My heart goes out to both of you! Sending you big hugs.
 
Very sad to hear this. Terrifying ordeal and not easy to manage such situations. Were not used to being locked up so keep sane.
Just pay whats needed of the lawyer and find out what the best thing is.

Whether right or wrong, keep an eye on the big picture, ie if you need to admit guilt to be let off, then do so. Principles doesn't matter. Instead, if that's the case, when you return make the life of the employees at the Japanese embassy etc a royal pain.

The big picture. I learnt a good lesson when I worked in the Middle East. I had stopped at a red light, 20 seconds later an intoxicated local Bedouin rams my car from behind. He walks out and shouts its my fault, how that could be since I had stopped for a red light. The police arrives, they are Palestinians or Jordanians so they get scared by the local. One of them asks me if I have insurance which I say I do. He told me, we both know this is ridiculous, but its best if you just agree that's its your fault. I'll write the report so that the insurance covers everything for you, and life will be easy for all of us. I swallowed hard, shook my head, and signed. The day after I could laugh at it, had I disagreed and demanded fairness it would probably have ended badly and it would definitely had been months of issues and constant worries.

So big picture, if the lawyer says agree to X and Y and they'll let you out. Just agree and deal with it when back in Australia.
 
Very sad to hear this. Terrifying ordeal and not easy to manage such situations. Were not used to being locked up so keep sane.
Just pay whats needed of the lawyer and find out what the best thing is.

Whether right or wrong, keep an eye on the big picture, ie if you need to admit guilt to be let off, then do so. Principles doesn't matter. Instead, if that's the case, when you return make the life of the employees at the Japanese embassy etc a royal pain.

The big picture. I learnt a good lesson when I worked in the Middle East. I had stopped at a red light, 20 seconds later an intoxicated local Bedouin rams my car from behind. He walks out and shouts its my fault, how that could be since I had stopped for a red light. The police arrives, they are Palestinians or Jordanians so they get scared by the local. One of them asks me if I have insurance which I say I do. He told me, we both know this is ridiculous, but its best if you just agree that's its your fault. I'll write the report so that the insurance covers everything for you, and life will be easy for all of us. I swallowed hard, shook my head, and signed. The day after I could laugh at it, had I disagreed and demanded fairness it would probably have ended badly and it would definitely had been months of issues and constant worries.

So big picture, if the lawyer says agree to X and Y and they'll let you out. Just agree and deal with it when back in Australia.
Big difference between admitting a criminal matter, and a civil matter.

A criminal conviction can have ramifications for visas and future travel.

Can I add my shock and dismay to that already expressed by others. Awful time for you both :(
 

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