The Qantas Newbie Questions Thread

PNR does not dictate whether you need to collect bags, or checked through.

For instance, I don't fly JetStar, but I know that on a multi-leg journey with them, you have to pick up and recheck your bags every sector, same PNR or not.

If you have a stopover (ie >24hrs) en route, you must collect your bags with any airline, then re-check them for the next leg.

A Qantas FF need not book through the Qantas booking system. In fact, I avoided it where possible and used a TA.

Separate PNRs if you have nested bookings - that is, a separate journey during a stop in the first journey.
RooFlyer could you explain further. You noted that a QantasFF need not book through the Qantas booking system. In fact I avoided it where possible and used a TA. I thought that in order to apply Qantas FF points for flights you had to book through the Qantas booking engine? If not who do you book through. Second question - you avoided the Qantas booking system and used a TA. I assume TA is travel agent. How do you use a travel agent and access your points for reward flights. Sorry if these questions are stupid, but as a newbie there is so much to learn.
 
RooFlyer could you explain further. You noted that a QantasFF need not book through the Qantas booking system. In fact I avoided it where possible and used a TA. I thought that in order to apply Qantas FF points for flights you had to book through the Qantas booking engine? If not who do you book through. Second question - you avoided the Qantas booking system and used a TA. I assume TA is travel agent. How do you use a travel agent and access your points for reward flights. Sorry if these questions are stupid, but as a newbie there is so much to learn.

I have used a 'Qantas FFlyer' in its wider sense, not just one who is booking a QFF points flight.

A Travel Agent can book Qantas paid flights because they have direct access to the "booking engine" that Qantas, and other airlines use. This 'booking engine, called Amadeus, is the software behind the Qantas web site and app. Those are just portals into the "booking engine" - there are more direct ways.

Have you heard of the App "Check my Trip"? If you download it, you can see your points or paid bookings made through Qantas (and any other airline bookings that uses the Amadeus engine), even though the App has got nothing to do with Qantas. That's because the App is tapping direct into Amadeus.

Don't get too distracted by this - if you only ever book with Qantas, then the Qantas booking page will suffice (except for its numerous bugs). But because Travel Agents have direct access to the booking engine, they can do everything directly, without you and me thinking about it and navigating the Qantas site limitations.

BUT Travel Agents generally don't deal in points bookings - you do those on your own. But once you've made your points booking through Qantas, you can see it in "Check my Trip" - because like a paid booking, its ultimately made on the Amadeus software. My Travel Agent can also see my points bookings, because they have access to Amadeus.

Actually, if I gave my TA access to my QFF account (like they have access to my credit card), I guess they could make points bookings for me, and presumably charge a fee for doing so.

I'll introduce another concept here which you might put in the back of your mind for later, because you will come across it sooner or later. Not every airline uses the Amadeus software. In fact there are 2 or 3 major systems in use around the world. Some of Qantas' OneWorld partners use different software - American Airlines for instance uses one called Sabre. Think of it as Mac Vs Microsoft. Both do similar jobs, in different ways and can talk to each other in limited ways. If you book an AA flight using Qantas points, you will get a PNR from AA which is different from the one you will get from Qantas. Different booking engines/software produce different PNRs, so if you talk to Qantas about your booking, you need to quote the Qantas PNR. If you talk to AA about your flight, you need to quote the AA PNR. Of course, a Travel Agent talks BOTH PNRs 🙂
 
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Could I ask a quick question about online checkin. If you have an itinerary with several carriers and the booking is made through Qantas on points - do you check in with the carrier taking you on to the next sector or do you check in through Qantas. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
 
Could I ask a quick question about online checkin. If you have an itinerary with several carriers and the booking is made through Qantas on points - do you check in with the carrier taking you on to the next sector or do you check in through Qantas. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
You check in with the first carrier of that slice. So if you're flying MEL-SYD-NAN (stopover) NAN-SYD-MEL, then you could check in with the carrier operating MEL-SYD on your way out, and the carrier operating NAN-SYD on the way back.

Generally speaking, the carrier of the first segment should issue you boarding passes for all segments until a stopover. So in Melbourne, you should get two boarding passes, and same in Nadi.

Qantas may not allow online check-in when connecting to another carrier (Fiji Airways) though, so there's a chance you'll have to check-in at the airport.
 
We have 2 separate bookings Per to Bne, same flight, selected seats next to each other. Is it worthwhile linking the bookings? Had to do separate bookings to get the $50.
 
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We have 2 separate bookings Per to Bne, same flight, selected seats next to each other. Is it worthwhile linking the bookings? Had to do separate bookings to get the $50.
never any guarantees on seating, but they generally stick. But getting them linked gives an added layer of protection in case of IRROPS, plane swap, overbooking etc. if you want to stay together.
 
never any guarantees on seating, but they generally stick. But getting them linked gives an added layer of protection in case of IRROPS, plane swap, overbooking etc. if you want to stay together.
Thank you
 
Actually, if I gave my TA access to my QFF account (like they have access to my credit card), I guess they could make points bookings for me, and presumably charge a fee for doing so.
I was curious if this was actually possible, as I haven't heard of agents doing it. I read through the terms and conditions and there isn't anything barring the sharing of the QFF number and PIN with agents/travel arrangers. It simply says:
The PIN, Membership number and Member's surname, along with other confidential information, will be used for security of the Member's Membership information. It is the Member's responsibility to ensure that their PIN and other security information are kept secure.

Which as long as your travel arranger is aware of this clause and keeps it secure themselves, there doesn't seem to be any explicit clause against actually sharing the information.
 
I was curious if this was actually possible, as I haven't heard of agents doing it. I read through the terms and conditions and there isn't anything barring the sharing of the QFF number and PIN with agents/travel arrangers. It simply says:


Which as long as your travel arranger is aware of this clause and keeps it secure themselves, there doesn't seem to be any explicit clause against actually sharing the information.

I've never felt the need for my TA to book a points flight, even for a fee. There are usually some decisions/compromises to be made 'on the fly' (for international bookings) and its usually time sensitive, so I wouldn't want to rely on a TA for that.

I don't know if an airline could detect if the booking was made by a TA or not. The TA would have to log onto my FF account and click the buttons and pay fees & taxes with my credit card, so probably not. @madrooster if you are about, or @AFF Editor , do you know if an airline would know if a TA made a points booking, and would they care?

My TA has my cc details and all my hotel/airline FF numbers to put into reservations. Sometimes, hotels know that a TA has made the booking and have tried to deny points etc, until i show that the TA has used my credit card, so there is nothing special about the booking.
 
I have another question so sorry for taking up room on this thread. My plans for the future will all be small, just small international hops from A to B to minimise potential issues. But I have a friend putting together her first international trip round world with different airlines. Are there some standard rules in terms of minimum connecting times when going from a domestic to international flight without stopover, international to international without stopover and international to domestic. She’s thrown caution to the wind and seems to be looking at keeping her connection times to a minimum which seems to be a dangerous practice. So what careful guidance can you offer so that she can plan her trip intelligently. I am particulary concerned about connecting through some of the larger airports in Europe with different terminals to get from one flight to the next. Are there some general rules such as three hours international to international? I have told her to use a travel agent as she doesn‘t have FF points and will be full revenue. But she is determined to do it her way. An accident bound to happen …
 
Yes, there are MCTs going for connecting flights such as from international to domestic etc (and vice versa) which vary from airport to airport. If your friend is booking through different airlines, then she will need to be mindful of these.

These show up on a GDS so she should consider booking something like the Lufthansa RTW flight through a travel agent to make sure it's kosher. That way, by being on the same PNR on the same airline's ticket, the risk becomes the airline's, not hers.
 
I have another question so sorry for taking up room on this thread. My plans for the future will all be small, just small international hops from A to B to minimise potential issues. But I have a friend putting together her first international trip round world with different airlines. Are there some standard rules in terms of minimum connecting times when going from a domestic to international flight without stopover, international to international without stopover and international to domestic. She’s thrown caution to the wind and seems to be looking at keeping her connection times to a minimum which seems to be a dangerous practice. So what careful guidance can you offer so that she can plan her trip intelligently. I am particulary concerned about connecting through some of the larger airports in Europe with different terminals to get from one flight to the next. Are there some general rules such as three hours international to international? I have told her to use a travel agent as she doesn‘t have FF points and will be full revenue. But she is determined to do it her way. An accident bound to happen …
There are lots of variables to take into account. There are no "rules" as such but these are the principles which I (mostly) follow:

It's generally safer to have shorter (less than 4 hours) connection times if...
  • The flights are all on one ticket.
  • She has carry-on luggage only.
  • If she has checked luggage, she can check it through all the way to her final destination without having to retrieve it at each airport (this is called an "interline" agreement between airlines).
  • The different flights are operated by one airline.
  • The itinerary is entirely domestic (or, in the European context, within the Schengen Zone).
It's generally best to aim for longer (4 hours or more) connection times if...
  • She's flying on separate tickets/bookings.
  • She has to retrieve her luggage while she's connecting.
  • She has to change terminals.
  • She has to go through customs/immigration while she's connecting (especially very busy airports like LAX, LHR, CDG, AMS which have long immigration queues).
Every situation is different and some people are more risk-averse than others (people who are less risk-averse than me might substitute "4 hours" as I have written above for "3 hours" or less). The fact that she's paying for her tickets means that the airlines will theoretically give her better customer service if something goes wrong. And if something goes wrong, she should see it as an adventure!
 
I have another question so sorry for taking up room on this thread. My plans for the future will all be small, just small international hops from A to B to minimise potential issues. But I have a friend putting together her first international trip round world with different airlines. Are there some standard rules in terms of minimum connecting times when going from a domestic to international flight without stopover, international to international without stopover and international to domestic. She’s thrown caution to the wind and seems to be looking at keeping her connection times to a minimum which seems to be a dangerous practice. So what careful guidance can you offer so that she can plan her trip intelligently. I am particulary concerned about connecting through some of the larger airports in Europe with different terminals to get from one flight to the next. Are there some general rules such as three hours international to international? I have told her to use a travel agent as she doesn‘t have FF points and will be full revenue. But she is determined to do it her way. An accident bound to happen …
Is she booking them on the same ticket? Generally if it's the same ticket you can expect the airline to look after her. I wouldn't say keeping connection times to a minimum is a dangerous practice unless the onward flight is to a rarely served destination, and thus a delay would mean she would have to wait till the next day etc. to be reaccomodated.

In Europe, it's important to consider schengen to/from non-schengen when it comes to whether one needs to pass through passport control as opposed to strictly international/domestic.
 
Can you elaborate what is meant by Schengen. As far as I know she is booking some on the same ticket, others separate tickets. She really doesn’t know how to put this together like a pro. She is working in the dark. Also I know she has a flight from the Middle East to London with an immediate follow up flight to Scotland. Not sure if this is on one PNR. Does she have to go through customs and immigration in London or Scotland.
 
Yes, there are MCTs going for connecting flights such as from international to domestic etc (and vice versa) which vary from airport to airport. If your friend is booking through different airlines, then she will need to be mindful of these.

These show up on a GDS so she should consider booking something like the Lufthansa RTW flight through a travel agent to make sure it's kosher. That way, by being on the same PNR on the same airline's ticket, the risk becomes the airline's, not hers.
Could I clarify. What does “these show up on a GDS mean”? Secondly I have been looking at a trip Melbourne to Nadi and this will require a domestic trip Melbourne to Sydney. When putting this information into the Qantas booking engine it provides details of the two connecting flights. Given previous discussion in this thread would it be advisable to book instead connecting flights with a wider gap to take into consideration contingencies outside one’s control. Or are you safe just booking the flights thrown up by the booking engine?

edit.MCTs vary from airport to airport. Where is this information available?
 
GDS means the Global Distribution System that travel agents and others use to book flights worldwide. You remember how I mentioned the Amadeus booking engine the other day? The GDS has access to Amadeus, Sabre and the other booking engines so anyone who can access the GDS can really book just about anything worldwide.
 
Could I clarify. What does “these show up on a GDS mean”? Secondly I have been looking at a trip Melbourne to Nadi and this will require a domestic trip Melbourne to Sydney. When putting this information into the Qantas booking engine it provides details of the two connecting flights. Given previous discussion in this thread would it be advisable to book instead connecting flights with a wider gap to take into consideration contingencies outside one’s control. Or are you safe just booking the flights thrown up by the booking engine?
The plus side is that you’re flying Qantas all the way, on the one ticket, and you can check in your luggage in Melbourne all the way through to Nadi.

The minus is that you’ll need to change terminals and go through immigration in Sydney.

I would be sort of comfortable with a two hour gap between connecting flights, but in case something goes wrong or your flight from Melbourne is delayed, I would definitely choose three hours or more if I had the choice.
 
edit.MCTs vary from airport to airport. Where is this information available?

It is available on several specialised platforms (web sites) such as Expert Flyer (subscription) and IATA but in all my flying I've never looked it up.

MCTs don't just vary from airport to airport, but from specific flight type to specific flight type. If you need to connect between Qantas to Qantas, domestic to international, it will be longer in Sydney than in Melbourne because of the terminal lay-outs. But MCTs can also vary within airports for similar flights if you change airlines (which might be far away from each other, especially in the USA).

MCTs are MINIMUM 'bookable' times - it works if everything goes right. How often does that happen? At the moment, Australian domestic flights are late between 15%-25% of the time.

Whether you accept a connection that is MCT or about it, for me depends on how important is it that I make the connection. If domestic to international, or (say) to make a wedding that day etc I'd never accept the MCT. Personally, if its a connection to international, I always fly from Hobart to the departure port the day before, or making sure there are 2 later departures I could catch before the international, so I have options if my domestic flight is cancelled. That's pretty conservative, but I have a low threshold of delay-induced aggravation 🙂

If connecting international to domestic in USA or other international destinations, I'd always want a connection time of 4 hours unless there are lots of domestic options for me, if I miss my booked flight.

If its a simple HBA-xMEL-BNE, then I'd accept the MCT suggested by the airline except if I really needed to be in BNE within an hour of schedule. If I did, I'd leave HBA earlier.

So you see whether you book a connection with a MCT depends on a number of factors, mainly based on experience and personal risk appetite. Until you get a feel for what you are comfortable with, you can always ask here for specific cases.
 
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She’s thrown caution to the wind and seems to be looking at keeping her connection times to a minimum which seems to be a dangerous practice.
MCT's are made for situations where everything runs on schedule. But realistically, your friend should cater for at least an hour delay of the incoming flight in two cases: 1) arriving on an international flight, or 2) there are only one or two connections a day to their next destination or they are connecting in the evening. Even that might be pushing her luck.

In addition to variances between airports, different airlines also seem to vary in punctuality. Of the ones I've flown recently, JL and AY seem to be much more precise than e.g. QF but, of course, there are factors even they can't control.

The airport layout, whether your friend passes customs and passport is machine-read vs manually inspected, time of day, etc influences the connection times, too. My record is probably in SIN, from a far-away gate with HLO to land side in 15 mins, in HEL I have clocked 20 mins to the street (including baggage retrieval) and you can connect there in 30 mins (plus boarding time, and customs queue if manual passport check) but e.g. LHR or HKG transfers with <90 mins would stress me out.

So, as a rule of thumb, MCT + 1 hour for simple connections / quiet times, and MCT +2 hours for more complex / busy times, and an extra +1 hour if travelling on separate tickets.
 

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