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Looking at some Hilton nights and I can see $132. As a HH Diamond, this is cheaper than renting a house! OK, you only get a room but you get free Wi-Fi, breakfast, all day coffee and snacks, 2 hours of food and fuel, the list goes on. I should move in.
 
Actually Alan Jones, friend of the Liberal party and person to whom Tony Abbott bows and scrapes. would support that, after all he wanted to put her in a chaff bag and drown her.

Mallah's comments are extremely offensive and grossly misogynistic but the great part of Australia is that he is allowed to say them. I won't listen, nor defend him. But, if it is ok (and it's not) for Alan Jones to suggest murdering a sitting PM without any punishment then why are we getting so upset over this particular scum bag?

Given the saying, "I do not support your view, but I will support to the death your right to say it."

However, if national security is at stake, then forget it - you may die before your right to say it. Our government says so, so it will be.
 
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Casino had a promotion last week. Come to watch the State of Origin and for each try Queensland scores if you are playing a machine and you are a pearl member you will get $50 slots dollars and black member you will get $100 slots. So I came in lost ~$300 but have the chance to get some of it back with $150 slots dollars.

Fast forward to today, 6 days later. No slots dollars. They expired after 5 days. No mention in promotion they expire after 5 days. What the....?

Not happy. Why the need for further deception? Not happy. Put in complaint. Not resting until I get a chance to use those slots dollars.

This world is deteriorating rapidly.

Ahh yes, I yearn for the era when Casinos would just give money away...oh wait.
 
People that fly often have the FA emergency info engrained it their heads....
Hence the paper and phones..... That was me for many flights unless new hostie with personality ;)
 
People that fly often have the FA emergency info engrained it their heads....
Hence the paper and phones..... That was me for many flights unless new hostie with personality ;)

That is called complacency (amongst other things) - not necessarily a good thing.
 
I have no idea why it pisses me off as it has nothing to do with me, but I hate it when people intentionally ignore the safety demonstration that FAs give.

You know reading the paper, playing with phones etc.

For some reason it grabs my goat.

Totally agree, nothing like showing a little courtesy regardless of how often you fly.

In a "win for the FAs" moment I was on the VA first departing morning flight SYD-MEL along with mostly other people heading down for business meetings. As usual 90%+ were doing their "I'm the centre of the Universe" routine and ignoring the FAs as they rushed around to get the departure off early (VA was good at that many years ago).

Then came the announcement asking for all passengers to watch the safety demo. A few heads looked up at the FA, 90%+ didn't move from their papers etc.

The FA was a guy aged in early 30s who really enjoyed his job and was going to make sure he enjoyed his job. He changed the tone and volume of his voice as he went through the demo. No robot patter for him.

Then he got to the "Once you're in the water and you want to attract attention then just do this...."

He took one extremely deep breath and blew the whistle for 10 or more seconds. Saying blew is a bit of a dis-service for his efforts - the noise was both incredibly loud and shrill.

I suspect that chiropractors in both Sydney and Melbourne experienced an increase in business after that.

Everybody who had not been watching the demo, in unison, jumped a mile and whipped their heads in his direction. The other two in my row literally snapped their heads up and one ripped the paper he was holding.

The FAs smile was slightly wider as he continued the demo with 100% observation by passengers.

A number of other passengers also had large grins.
 
Ahh. But they did give away the money. Or at least a chance to win some money.

Were the 'Slots Dollars' linked to your m'ship card?

Does your m'ship card have to be in the machine to use them?

Otherwise the 'Slots Dollars' could be gamed by offering to sell them at a discount, say 10% to a just arriving punter.
 
Ahh. But they did give away the money. Or at least a chance to win some money.

Yeah, no they don't give away money. The odds are always in the casino's favour. When someone wins, they give away the money of people who have lost, minus a significant handling fee. All casino games have less than a 50% chance to win, slot machines are the worst with the casino collecting somewhere about 96% of the money that is feed into those beasts.

To correct myself they do give away money to shareholders. The only way to win on a casino is to be an owner.
 
Every a.netter's favorite analogy: Buying Paint from a Hardware Store versus Buying Paint from an Airline:

BUYING PAINT FROM A HARDWARE STORE
==================================

Customer: Hi. How much is your paint?

Clerk: We have regular quality for $12 a gallon and premium for $18. How
many gallons would you like?

Customer: Five gallons of regular quality, please.

Clerk: Great. That will be $60 plus tax.


BUYING PAINT FROM AN AIRLINE
============================

Customer: Hi, how much is your paint?

Clerk: Well, sir, that all depends.

Customer: Depends on what?

Clerk: Actually, a lot of things.

Customer: How about giving me an average price?

Clerk: Wow, that's too hard a question. The lowest price is $9 a gallon, and
we have 150 different prices up to $200 a gallon.

Customer: What's the difference in the paint?

Clerk: Oh, there isn't any difference; it's all the same paint.

Customer: Well, then, I'd like some of that $9 paint.

Clerk: Well, first I need to ask you a few questions. When do you intend to
use it?

Customer: I want to paint tomorrow, on my day off.

Clerk: Sir, the paint for tomorrow is the $200 paint.

Customer: What? When would I have to paint in order to get the $9 version?

Clerk: That would be in three weeks, but you will also have to agree to
start painting before Friday of that week and continue painting until at
least Sunday.

Customer: You've got to be kidding!

Clerk: Sir, we don't kid around here. Of course, I'll have to check to see
if we have any of that paint available before I can sell it to you.

Customer: What do you mean check to see if you can sell it to me? You have
shelves full of that stuff; I can see it right there.

Clerk: Just because you can see it doesn't mean that we have it. It may be
the same paint, but we sell only a certain number of gallons on any given
weekend. Oh, and by the way, the price just went to $12.

Customer: You mean the price went up while we were talking!

Clerk: Yes, sir. You see, we change prices and rules thousands of times a
day, and since you haven't actually walked out of the store with your paint
yet, we just decided to change. Unless you want the same thing to happen
again, I would suggest that you get on with your purchase. How many gallons
do you want?

Customer: I don't know exactly. Maybe five gallons. Maybe I should buy six
gallons just to make sure I have enough.

Clerk: Oh, no, sir, you can't do that. If you buy the paint and then don't
use it, you will be liable for penalties and possible confiscation of the
paint you already have.

Customer: What?

Clerk: That's right. We can sell you enough paint to do your kitchen,
bathroom, hall and north bedroom, but if you stop painting before you do the
bedroom, you will be in violation of our tariffs.

Customer: But what does it matter to you whether I use all the paint? I
already paid you for it!

Clerk: Sir, there's no point in getting upset; that's just the way it is. We
make plans based upon the idea that you will use all the paint, and when you
don't, it just causes us all sorts of problems.

Customer: This is crazy! I suppose something terrible will happen if I don't
keep painting until after Saturday night!

Clerk: Yes, sir, it will.

Customer: Well, that does it! I'm going somewhere else to buy my paint.

Clerk: That won't do you any good, sir. We all have the same rules. Thanks
for painting with our airline.
 
Casino had a promotion last week. Come to watch the State of Origin and for each try Queensland scores if you are playing a machine and you are a pearl member you will get $50 slots dollars and black member you will get $100 slots. So I came in lost ~$300 but have the chance to get some of it back with $150 slots dollars.

Fast forward to today, 6 days later. No slots dollars. They expired after 5 days. No mention in promotion they expire after 5 days. What the....?

Not happy. Why the need for further deception? Not happy. Put in complaint. Not resting until I get a chance to use those slots dollars.

This world is deteriorating rapidly.


Sorry John K, but the house always wins.
 
<snip> slot machines are the worst with the casino collecting somewhere about 96% of the money that is feed into those beasts.

<snip>

Wrong, the Return To Player (RTP) rate is determined by the individual states' gaming commission. In Victoria the RTP is set by the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation. The RTP was reduced on 14 May 2014 as noted below:

Gaming venue operators - VCGLR
A reduction in the minimum Return to Player (RTP) ratio on electronic gaming machines, from 87 per cent to 85 per cent. The definition of ‘year’ has been clarified as a ‘calendar year’ for calculating RTP.


I agree that it's not good but nothing like your stated 4% RTP. As always if you're going to gamble you should know the odds.
 
Wrong, the Return To Player (RTP) rate is determined by the individual states' gaming commission. In Victoria the RTP is set by the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation. The RTP was reduced on 14 May 2014 as noted below:



I agree that it's not good but nothing like your stated 4% RTP. As always if you're going to gamble you should know the odds.

Meh! I don't gamble. I just collect my dividends. :D
 
Wrong, the Return To Player (RTP) rate is determined by the individual states' gaming commission. In Victoria the RTP is set by the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation. The RTP was reduced on 14 May 2014 as noted below:



I agree that it's not good but nothing like your stated 4% RTP. As always if you're going to gamble you should know the odds.


Both of you are correct and both are wrong - depending on what time frame you are talking about. The RTP for one spin is as regulated. For consecutive spins it is say 0.85 x 0.85 but that is the average over thousands of spins on the same machine. It is made up of RTP of zero for the vast majority of spins (between 80-90% depending on what major win is set at). So if you spin 5 times then expect to lose 4 of 5 times and win 1x. That win may only be the value of one spin - so you've lost 80%.

If jackpot is high then you may only win 1 in 7 or 1 in 9 or 1 in 10. Jackpot may be 1 in 50,000 spins or 1 in 100,000 spins for example.

The reality is that a person can lose 100% of their initial stake spent on playing slot/poker machines. In fact most people lose 100% of their stake. A very, very small proportion can win multiples of their stake, which of course is that carrot that encourages so many to lose everything.

If you really want to have fun, calculate the odds of getting a major win through only playing each machine once and then moving on to another machine without delay (needs to not be too busy for this to work well)!

As each machine (unless on a linked jackpot system) is independent then this is a great way to pay for your outing, dinner, drinks etc. To work the bulk of the time you need at least 25-30 different machines to play.

I drove a long term girlfriend and her family mad by using my probability theory understanding to win visit after visit. Who knew Advanced Quantitative Methods 1A would be so useful in the real world. Her family each had their own theory of how to play and win - what they all agreed on was that what I did was 'not right'.

Girl friend some years later had no such principles and enjoyed our subsidized outings. Always enjoyable to end a night out with more money than you started with.
 
Were the 'Slots Dollars' linked to your m'ship card?

Does your m'ship card have to be in the machine to use them?

Otherwise the 'Slots Dollars' could be gamed by offering to sell them at a discount, say 10% to a just arriving punter.
Yes and yes and you need to know my pin number.

They know it's an issue as a number of people complained.

And I do know the chances of winning are low. That goes for most things in life.
 
I wonder what the chances are of that possibility regarding probability?
No idea. Probability is not relevant when you know what is going to happen.

Pot of soup. Let's say 6 portions and 2 chillis. I have 1-2 portions and I get the 1 or 2 chillis every time. No fail. Mum is shocked. She has no idea how it happens as she wants the chillis.

One flight delayed between 3:00pm and 6:00pm. Guess who is on it?

And the best one is when the train, the bus and the airplane are delayed on the same day! :confused:

I feel special....
 
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@RAM why are consecutive spins at one wheel not independent but spins at different wheels are? And since the RTP isn't the probability of winning but the average return, and since not all payouts are the same size, I don't think you can't directly compare RTP with probability of winning. So I'm not too sure about your method.

Each machine has its own cpu monitoring the win rate (I forget the technical term). I decided to find out EXACTLY how the machines worked, so as a funds manager I got the opportunity to question the guy who started Aristocrat Leisure one day. He was very happy to go into the absolute detail at length.

So as long as each machine is not part of a linked jackpot system then consecutive spins on the same machine are not independent as the CPU is going to ensure the stipulated win rate is achieved over the play cycle. Some people would say the tempo of the music will even speed up the more you lose but they're cynics of course.

By going to a different (unlinked) machine for each spin you are getting a truly independent result which improves your odds vs playing say 40 spins on the same machine. That is why it needs to be a 'quiet' time so you can move round every machine available as you know, if you miss out on just one machine the odds are not so much in your favour.

The success rate of paying for two a-la-carte 3 course meals, before and after drinks, stake for pokies and other incidentals worked out at something like 8/9 outings. Always did it after the meals so the places had quietened down, and booked the restaurants for 8pm normally. Once kids came onto the scene we stopped. Also it was August and we'd not had a failure the entire year - so figured I'd never get another run like that.
 
No idea. Probability is not relevant when you know what is going to happen.

Pot of soup. Let's say 6 portions and 2 chillis. I have 1-2 portions and I get the 1 or 2 chillis every time. No fail. Mum is shocked. She has no idea how it happens as she wants the chillis.

One flight delayed between 3:00pm and 6:00pm. Guess who is on it?

And the best one is when the train, the bus and the airplane are delayed on the same day! :confused:

I feel special....

Someone I know well has the ability to put their hand in a bag and ALWAYS pulls out the largest piece of food. At a new restaurant whatever dish they chose will be a larger serve than what I choose - no matter what type of restaurant. Worst/best example was a Japanese restaurant in Kona - for the main course I got a plate with 2/3rds of its surface bare - she got two tray loads and a side table brought it. I kid you not.

What was worse was we were tossing up who'd have which of the two dishes as they both sounded great. I chose in the end and went for the one that sounded the largest serve. The restaurant staff could not understand why she started laughing as soon as she saw my plate coming out, nor why she had tears running down her face when her second tray load arrived with its own table.

We shared but her record continues unfortunately.
 
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