The totally off-topic thread

[anat0l]

What will people do now? Read Playboy for the articles?

They think they can make it that way. We'll see (pun intended).

 

[Dr Ralph]

What will people do now? Read Playboy for the articles?

Wasn't that always the case?????????

 

[Princess Fiona]

Sorry Princess but I don't hold back. I am not afraid to stereotype. Apologies if some people take offence to it.


Here's another stereotype for you. The refugee crisis in Europe is going to have serious repercussions around the world. They are already demanding housing and handouts. And we are taking some of them here in Australia. Huge mistake.

I should be allowed to say that without being afraid. But I'm afraid because some people want to take away freedom of speech and we are sitting back letting them do it.

I'm taking it that you haven't seen this clip?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...o-refugee-lawyer-an-inspiring-journey/6764088

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/denk-thiak-adut-video/6764244


It's truly inspirational

 

[esseeeayeenn]

The refugee crisis in Europe is going to have serious repercussions around the world. They are already demanding housing and handouts. And we are taking some of them here in Australia. Huge mistake.

How dare they demand somewhere to live. Of course we should let them all die. Compassion is a huge mistake.
I hope we never need it.

I should be allowed to say that without being afraid. But I'm afraid because some people want to take away freedom of speech and we are sitting back letting them do it.

People have been saying this in Bendigo over the weekend and they didn't look afraid. No-one tried to take away their freedom of speech.
Geert Wilder is coming from the Netherlands to Australia to launch a new political party advocating these views. That's rather strange, but no-one is stopping him.
If I call someone out for their bigotted views I'm not taking away their freedom of speech. I'm exercising mine.

 

[RooFlyer]

How dare they demand somewhere to live. Of course we should let them all die. Compassion is a huge mistake.
I hope we never need it.

<snip>

i appreciate you are using sarcasm to make the point ( what's the definition of sarcasm again? ) but I don't think you understand the rights of UNHCR recognised refugees. There is no right to choose a destination, or the circumstances of their acceptance, except to be treated per UNCHR treaty on human rights.

I would wish and hope that any refugee is treated as generously as the host community wishes, but when there are demands made, and violence enacted upon the accepting community, as has happened recently in Germany ( and yes, Australia on occasion) it helps no one, least of all the poor buggers still waiting for a place. Nor does ignoring the issue peR ' our' ( sic) ABC news coverage.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Actually it was irony.

 

[Happy Trails]

I always thought Playboy was read for the missing articles.

 

[medhead]

i appreciate you are using sarcasm to make the point ( what's the definition of sarcasm again? ) but I don't think you understand the rights of UNHCR recognised refugees. There is no right to choose a destination, or the circumstances of their acceptance, except to be treated per UNCHR treaty on human rights.

Which is relevant to the criticism for demanding a roof over their heads how?

 

[whatmeworry]

LGW-MLA in J with BA for 150 pounds for 120 SC.

 

[Flashback]

LGW-MLA in J with BA for 150 pounds for 120 SC.

160 TP if crediting to BA

RAK also for a good SC / TP haul.

Other destinations available: British Airways flights and holidays from London Gatwick Airport

Must book in the next 24 hours.

 

[blackcat20]

I'm with you for 2 of them, but dark chocolate is my favourite

I dont mind some dark chocolate; just not the really heavy Lindt stuff (eg 70%).

 

[penegal]

Dark chocolate coated coffee beans.... heaven

 

[JohnK]

If I call someone out for their bigotted views I'm not taking away their freedom of speech. I'm exercising mine.

Yep. Playing such a card wins all arguments.

 

[coriander]

I always thought Playboy was read for the missing articles.

Hmm.... I must've missed the the "missing articles", staples occasionally got in the way of the articles.

 

[JohnK]

Paranoia? How do they know which train I catch in the morning?

 

[RooFlyer]

Originally Posted by RooFlyer
i appreciate you are using sarcasm to make the point ( what's the definition of sarcasm again? ) but I don't think you understand the rights of UNHCR recognised refugees. There is no right to choose a destination, or the circumstances of their acceptance, except to be treated per UNHCR treaty on human rights.

(with typo corrected)

Which is relevant to the criticism for demanding a roof over their heads how?

Pretty much 100% relevant I would have thought; I bolded a bit above to make it clearer. But we can disagree, of course.

 

[medhead]

(with typo corrected)




Pretty much 100% relevant I would have thought; I bolded a bit above to make it clearer. But we can disagree, of course.

I think not relevant at all. No one raised the country of acceptance. The issue raised was demanding a physical roof over their head. That's an issue that is independent of how they came to be in any particular country wanting to not live on the street.

but taking up the UNHCR process you mention - does that really say "no housing for them"

 

[esseeeayeenn]

It isn't relevant to the original comment which was basically that Europe and Australia should not take any Syrian refugees.
And while it is true that the refugee convention doesn't provide a right for asylum seekers to choose their ultimate country of resettlement, it doesn't force them to stop at any particular point either.
In any event, where should they stop?
In Jordan or Lebanon or Turkey which are overrun and where conditions are intolerable and unsafe?
On the first tiny Greek island they encounter, which can't possibly accomodate them?
In Hungary which doesn't want them?
It's all very well to criticise them for wanting to go to Germany but Hungary has only allowed them into their country because they will continue on through Austria and Germany will accept them.
If I was fleeing a brutal, savage civil war and inhumane conditions in refugee camps and desperately seeking safety for my children I wouldn't stop until I actually felt safe.
It would be hypocritical of me to expect them to do otherwise.

Interestingly I love strong black coffee and dark chocolate, though I prefer wine to beer.
Research which asks stupid questions often finds stupid answers.

 

[JohnK]

In any event, where should they stop?

Here are some perfectly acceptable destinations. Saudi Arabia, China, Japan.

See what I did there? Not good is it?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Here are some perfectly acceptable destinations. Saudi Arabia, China, Japan.

See what I did there? Not good is it?

Actually I have no idea what you did there as those three have nothing in common.
China and Japan are inaccessible from Syria so they're irrelevant as transit countries.
Although they might - and should - take some by way of resettlement.
If they don't then that will be lamentable - but no reason for us to copy them.
As for Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't send my worst enemy to live there.
They're as bad as Daesh but with international recognition and western support.