Ticket classes on Qantas

[v8Statesman]

There system is not fair, that is for sure. Take MEL-AKL, as you say 3 plus hrs = 20 SC's. Take MEL-HKG, a 8 plus hr flight = 30 SC's.

Where is the fairness in that.

System is full of holes. You just learn to work with in it.

Approx AU$3K gets you PER-MEL-PER in J or 160SC
Approx AU$3K gets you PER-MEL-AKL-BNE-PER in J or 320SC

same price, double the SC

 

[Dave Noble]

There system is not fair, that is for sure. Take MEL-AKL, as you say 3 plus hrs = 20 SC's. Take MEL-HKG, a 8 plus hr flight = 30 SC's.

Where is the fairness in that.

Ah, but the main thing is where do you want to actually go to; that is more relevent than SCs

Dave

 

[v8Statesman]

Ah, but the main thing is where do you want to actually go to; that is more relevent than SCs

Dave

I think gary was hoping to retain status.

 

[thadocta]

QF really should be regarded for status as a High Value Flying Program than a Frequent Flying Program

Nah, if you want a REALLY High Value Flying Program, look at the BA Executive Club, where you don't get a THING unless on high value WHY fares. - Y, H, B, K, IIRC.

Dave

 

[thadocta]

Ah, but the main thing is where do you want to actually go to; that is more relevent than SCs

Only if flying to get from A to B - if flying to get SC's, it doesn't really matter where you end up.

Dave
(who will, based upon planned flying this year, end up with 660 SC's, so looking at an SC run somewhere)

 

[Dave Noble]

Nah, if you want a REALLY High Value Flying Program, look at the BA Executive Club, where you don't get a THING unless on high value WHY fares. - Y, H, B, K, IIRC.

Dave

BA only offers TPs in YBH economy classes, however H class does count for full TPs internationally so for those doing trips such as UK-Oz in H class it pays out well

Also WT+ pays at a higher rate than economy

Doing, say, LHR-SIN-SYD in H class will give 120TPs for economy whilst WT+ would pay out 150TPs ( assuming change of flight in SIN ) or 110/135 straight through

Round trip earning is 240/300 SCs

Compare that to Qantas which would pay 70 each way for H class or WT+ = 140

BA requires 600 TPs for Silver ( 400 if registered in Continental Europe ) , so 1 WT+ return can provide 75% of the TP requirements for Silver (continental Europe , 50% otherwise) whilst 1 WT+ return credited to QF provides 20% of the requirements to attain the equivalent level (Gold) or 23.33% of the renewal amount

The BA scheme can be beneficial over QF for those doing long haul travel in the more expensive classes

Dave

 

[simongr]

BA requires 600 TPs for Silver ( 400 if registered in Continental Europe ) , so 1 WT+ return can provide 75% of the TP requirements for Silver whilst 1 WT+ return credited to QF provides 20% of the requirements to attain Silver or 23.33% of the renewal level

The BA scheme can be beneficial for those doing long haul travel

Dave

Did you mean attain QF Gold?

@thedocta - if you are on 660SCs and need a status run are you currently QF Silver?

 

[Dave Noble]

Did you mean attain QF Gold?

I did indeed

Dave

 

[serfty]

... The BA scheme can be beneficial over QF for those doing long haul travel in the more expensive classes ...

Yes, but the accelerated status earning only kicks in at segments 2000 or more miles.

e.g.

1. LHR-JFK-LAX in F:
   • BA: 360 TP
   • QF: 300 SC
2. JFK-LAX in F:
   • BA: 180 TP
   • QF: 150 SC
3. JFK-DFW-LAX in F:
   • BA: 120 TP
   • QF: 240 SC
4. PER-MEL-AKL in J:
   • BA: 80 TP
   • QF: 160 SC

The were a few unhappy BAEC members when Qantas discontinued the 2025 mile AKL/ADL service.

 

[Harpoon]

System is full of holes. You just learn to work with in it.

Approx AU$3K gets you PER-MEL-PER in J or 160SC
Approx AU$3K gets you PER-MEL-AKL-BNE-PER in J or 320SC

same price, double the SC

Along the same lines, was wondering if anyone has done some thorough research into the most cost effective way to earn QFF SCs?

In other words, are there certain routes with certain fare type combinations that offer the best SC earning value? Particularly some of the super saver fares or red e-deal fares.

I'm mainly referring to Economy or Discount Economy fares here. Business and First obviously earn SC's at double and trible that of Economy, but they are both very expensive fare classes.

 

[oz_mark]

Along the same lines, was wondering if anyone has done some thorough research into the most cost effective way to earn QFF SCs?

In other words, are there certain routes with certain fare type combinations that offer the best SC earning value? Particularly some of the super saver fares or red e-deal fares.

I'm mainly referring to Economy or Discount Economy fares here. Business and First obviously earn SC's at double and trible that of Economy, but they are both very expensive fare classes.

I haven't done any research, but I would suggest that the shorter sectors (such as some of the dash 8 services and some of the domestic NZ services) would give the best SC earning value, in general. (Might be specific exceptions!)

 

[wandering_fred]

With the demise of AY SEAsia flights out of Bangkok the choices are becoming somewhat limited, though SE Asia still does have a few good J routes.

CX exSIN --> CMB can be routed via BKK if you choose your days
It might be even less expensive to originate in CMB. Both legs are more than 1200 miles

CX SIN-BKK is definitely cheaper from the BKK end though sales do appear exSIN. less than 1200 miles

RJ now has segments HKG<-->BKK(TuThSa) which I would think are quite economical ex BKK

And of course the StarClass flights ex SEAsia are good earners as well (but only if you want QF miles and status)

Maybe one of these days when I have requalified early enough for AA PLT I will consider adding the 3K QF miles (which I need for another simple Oz 18K segment) and then I can leave so few miles there I would care if they expired..... But I wander

To the subject.........

I do wish the ACCC would come up with a rule that states something to the effect that all aspects of a sale which effects the limitations/benefits of the purchased product be clearly available to the purchaser PRIOR to purchase. Since FF credits to OW partners are dependent on the fare class (and not QF's simple categories) they would then be required to make the class available.....


Fred

 

[JohnK]

Along the same lines, was wondering if anyone has done some thorough research into the most cost effective way to earn QFF SCs?

In other words, are there certain routes with certain fare type combinations that offer the best SC earning value? Particularly some of the super saver fares or red e-deal fares.

I'm mainly referring to Economy or Discount Economy fares here. Business and First obviously earn SC's at double and trible that of Economy, but they are both very expensive fare classes.

I have done a little research and without worrying about paying personal money for RTWs, eg DONE4s, I can achieve QF Platinum for <$8000/pa. Not all business class flights are expensive. It is almost time to work out what I have spent in the previous year.

The best earners are definitely YUPS/QUPs/KUPs on AA in the USA. There are many threads on AFF explaining the process of searching and booking. Next best are short haul business class flights on CX, JX and LA. And then there are some domestic routes that can earn decent SCs during sale periods. Also consider short haul NZ domestic routes during sale periods.

Business class SYD-AKL-SYD on LA costs around $750-$1100 and earns 160 SCs but requires an overnight in AKL or spending time at the airport waiting for the very early AKL-SYD flight.

My stock standard best is BKK-SIN-BKK in CX business class which costs around $430 and earns 120 SCs. This is handy for me as I am in SE Asia 3-4 times a year anyway. If you were doing this purely as a status run it would require an overnight in either BKK or SIN which I am more than happy to do anyway.

There is also SIN-KUL-SIN in JL business class which costs around $400 and earns 80 SCs. Again this would require an overnight in SIN or KUL but it is worth it and do some sightseeing or combine with a Hilton or PC mattress in KUL.

In Australia the short 3 sector QF flights appear to give best value. During sale periods something like SYD-NAA-MRZ-SYD would cost around $180 and earn 30 SCs. I have been able to get BNE-BCI/BKQ-LRE-BNE for around $180 and earn 40 SCs because I have booked it as a multi destination itinerary and the BCI-LRE or BKQ-LRE sectors book into K class with double SCs. This works the same for any other 3 sector QF flights.

Then there are also the JQ starclass flights on the SYD-MEL-BNE triangle which cost around $240 and earn 40 SCs.

 

[serfty]

... Then there are also the JQ starclass flights on the SYD-MEL-BNE triangle which cost around $240 and earn 40 SCs.

'Tis more of a BNE-SYD-MEL boomerang as there's no BNE/MEL offerings.

Also, the cost has gone up to $279 + $3 ... :-|

 

[JohnK]

'Tis more of a BNE-SYD-MEL boomerang as there's no BNE/MEL offerings.

Close. I thought I would at least mention something about the JQ starclass flights in case someone got the wrong impression that I was been biased with my SC run recommendations....

 

[serfty]

Close. I thought I would at least mention something about the JQ starclass flights in case someone got the wrong impression that I was been biased with my SC run recommendations....

Cool - a new regime in my employment has seriously restricted my work based travel - those

Class flights at least keep the SC's ticking along.

 

[docjames]

Question I didn’t want to start a whole thread for / couldn’t find a suitable thread for:

Not easy to find on the QF website (maybe it’s been “enhanced” away) and it’s been a long time since it’s been relevant for me to worry but for SC earn on QF, is a “Y” category fare the only “full earn” fare, or are there other fares that earn at “full” rate (bulk being “discount economy”) earn?

There is the SC calculator, but you have to know which fare type (discount, flex etc) So it’s unhelpful (although will spit out the point and SC earn once i know the answer to the above).

TIA.

 

[Lynda2475]

From the notes at the bottom of the points calculator page:

For domestic flights within Australia:
Discount Economy includes Red e-Deal fares booked in E, L, M, N, Q, O, S and V classes, and Group fares booked in G class; and
Flexible Economy includes Flex fares booked in B, H, K and Y classes.

For international flights:
Economy includes classes G, K, L, M, S and V; and
Flexible Economy includes classes B, H and Y.

 

[docjames]

From the notes ta the bottom of the points calculator page:

For domestic flights within Australia:
Discount Economy includes Red e-Deal fares booked in E, L, M, N, Q, O, S and V classes, and Group fares booked in G class; and
Flexible Economy includes Flex fares booked in B, H, K and Y classes.

For international flights:
Economy includes classes G, K, L, M, S and V; and
Flexible Economy includes classes B, H and Y.

Thank you

Interesting, I have an international leg with fare class N.

Indeed the four legs are
Domestic N
International N
International Y
Domestic Y

 

[Lynda2475]

Thank you

Interesting, I have an international leg with fare class N.

Try this one for more details: https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/qantas-class-types.html

N is Discount Economy for International