Top Five European Pickpocketing Locations - No Real Surprises.

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This article has handy tips for novice travellers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ikely-pickpocketed-avoid-victim.html#comments

After reading the article, and remembering how my wife and I felt constantly under seige from the pickpockets in Madrid and Rome ( it's hard to feel relaxed when thieves are constantly circling) I've decided that we will give the number one pick-pocketing location a miss in future travels.


Regards,
Renato
 
I was pickpocketed twice in Barcelona in one week. First time they got my phone. 2nd time my wallet. But on the second time I was more suspicious because of the phone so looked behind the guy and he had my wallet in his hand. I said that's my wallet and grabbed it and he ran. So I got my wallet & cards but somehow there was no money left in it. I am still to this day completely amazed. I remember the guy very well and remember the time and I still can't work out how he got it. It was in my front pocket. Moral of the story for me is no matter how seasoned a traveler I am I still need to be careful. I always thought it was only "stupid tourists" that got caught up in this sort of thing.
 
I have only ever been pickpocketed the once.

I was back when I was 26 on my first overseas trip to Thailand/Nepal/India at Fatehpur Sikri in India. It was by a bunch of "cute" kids of about 8 and 10 years old playing who bumped into me. I realised immediately that they had taken my "day" wallet and chase after them only to be misdirected by an adult, that I realised later was part of the gang, that they had run down one laneway when they had not.

Fortunately my day wallet only had a small amount of cash in it for the exact reason that I was worried about pickpockets and so use it for minor purchases like drinks, while my main wallet was safely secured inside my shirt and wich I never accessed when in view.

On our second overseas trip 12 months later we were taking an overnight bus from Bangkok up to Chang Mai to start a hill trek and all the seats were laid back for people to try and sleep and it was like sardine city. I had trouble sleeping, but most of the rest of the bus including my girlfriend (now wife) were asleep. I noticed a hand coming back slowly moving towards the watch on my girlfriends wrist. I knocked it sideways jamming it against the seat frame and told the owner if I saw it again I would break it next time.
 
I've been to all cities on this list, some multiple times (Paris x 7 Rome x 2) and have never been caught out or even seen anyone been pocketed. I hear about these stories and read about them all the time, and totally disregard them. Maybe I'm just lucky. I'll be in Paris in a weeks time, I'll relay any criminal activity I witness.
 
Never been targeted myself. The only place I have ever seen this was in Rome. Been to Paris & Madrid multiple times with no problems whatsoever.

Bad things can happen anywhere, but if you remain self-aware and observant you'll generally be ok from this sort of petty crime. Silly to avoid some of the world's greatest cities because of it.
 
While sitting in a restaurant in Quito (Ecuador) my day pack was taken from beside me even though it was against a wall. First, (touch wood) in 44 years of international travel. I have been surrounded a couple of times but eyeballed one of the group each time and walked straight through that person. Helps to be 105kg and not pretty.
 
This is just a list of the top 5 tourist destinations in Europe.
Or the 5 cities most worth visiting.
Or ... you get my point.

I had my phone taken from my hand in Paris last August.
I realised instantly and shouted at the thief.
He sheepishly handed the phone back to me.
I am not sure why - perhaps he was just surprised that I could speak French.

Anyway on that occasion I had my phone in my hand - so it was easy for him to take once he distracted me.
I've since been more careful about having my phone in my hand in crowds.
I am also careful to carry only a slim wallet containing one credit card, my drivers licence and limited cash.
If possible I carry these in an internal pocket inside a jacket.
Or in the front pocket of jeans with a couple of tissues stuffed on top of it.

I was also the intended victim of the infamous "petition scam" in Madrid.
Someone approaches you and asks you to sign a petition for a motherhood issue - in this case helping sick children.
While they distract you someone ransacks through your backpack.
Luckily my hostility to petitions saved me on that occasion.
I was then unaware of the scam - I only read about it later.

Anyway, wherever there are crowds there will be pickpockets.
There is reason to be careful, but not to be paranoid.
These five cities are all wonderful, and it would be a tragedy to avoid any of them for fear of pickpockets.
 
Had my bum bag slashed off me in HoChiMinh. Saw a distressed lady whose camera had been filched from her backpack in HaNoi. Watched gypsies circle a person in front of Notre Dame in Paris. Friends had kombi van stolen in Athens. Told by a cafe owner in Barcelona to put my bag on my lap and another cafe owner there told me to take my phone off the table.

Pretty nice in RAdelaide where such things mostly never happen.

Other scams I saw. The petition in Rome and Paris. I always answer back in German. The wedding ring drop along the River Seine. Counted 10 tries between the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre. The bracelet trick at the steps of Montmartre.

Had a Romanian chauffeur in Rome who swore at every gypsy he saw. Said that they were the scum of his country. He'd helped out a lady who was attacked by a group of gypsy women and the lady turned out to be with the US Embassy in Rome. The gypsies tried to have him arrested for injuring them but the lady sorted that out. But she was left permanently injured.
 
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the gypsies are the worst by far. I've been to the back blocks of Romania and saw first hand what they can do, pick pocketing was child's play
 
This article has handy tips for novice travellers.
The five European cities where you are most likely to be pickpocketed | Daily Mail Online

After reading the article, and remembering how my wife and I felt constantly under seige from the pickpockets in Madrid and Rome ( it's hard to feel relaxed when thieves are constantly circling) I've decided that we will give the number one pick-pocketing location a miss in future travels.


Regards,
Renato
been to the Top 5 (often several times)and thankfully no dramas. this is great that someone is putting it out there so that people are 'alert but not alarmed'. Surprised to find Prague on the list - probably too cold for pickpockets while we were there after Xmas- everyone had multiple layers on and coats etc buttoned up - no easy access to pockets even for the wearer!
 
Only ever been done over when conducting my pickpocket survey.I fold up some pamphlets and stick them in my back pocket.Barcelona,Madrid they struck but were pretty amateur.I could feel them doing it.The best by far were those in the old Bugis street Singapore in the 70s.Never felt a thing.
 
My strategy in likely pick-pocket cities is to put a old decoy wallet in my back pocket with around $5 or equivalent in local currency, along with some expired cards etc. This allows them to take the wallet with less risk of assault. My real money supply and cards will be stuffed down inside the front of my pants.

What are your strategies?
 
My wife was targeted in Barcelona in 2013 but luckily it had a happy ending for us (but not the would-be thieves). We were walking down steps to the train platform near Sagrada Familia. No one else to be seen and me slightly behind my wife. I heard nothing but sensed something in my peripheral vision; glanced sideways and saw a black arm trying to open the zip on MrsV's bag which she had over her shoulder. It was not the thief's lucky day - walked straight into right hook with a full shoulder turn (courtesy of some experience as a Festival Hall bouncer in my uni days 40 years ago). Out cold. Accomplice got away by vaulting the ticket turnstiles but I ended up with his shirt in my hand.

Downside was that I got a dressing down from MrsV - practical as always she said "What if he had a knife?"
 
This is just a list of the top 5 tourist destinations in Europe.
Or the 5 cities most worth visiting.
Or ... you get my point.

I had my phone taken from my hand in Paris last August.
I realised instantly and shouted at the thief.
He sheepishly handed the phone back to me.
I am not sure why - perhaps he was just surprised that I could speak French.

Anyway on that occasion I had my phone in my hand - so it was easy for him to take once he distracted me.
I've since been more careful about having my phone in my hand in crowds.
I am also careful to carry only a slim wallet containing one credit card, my drivers licence and limited cash.
If possible I carry these in an internal pocket inside a jacket.
Or in the front pocket of jeans with a couple of tissues stuffed on top of it.

I was also the intended victim of the infamous "petition scam" in Madrid.
Someone approaches you and asks you to sign a petition for a motherhood issue - in this case helping sick children.
While they distract you someone ransacks through your backpack.
Luckily my hostility to petitions saved me on that occasion.
I was then unaware of the scam - I only read about it later.


Anyway, wherever there are crowds there will be pickpockets.
There is reason to be careful, but not to be paranoid.
These five cities are all wonderful, and it would be a tragedy to avoid any of them for fear of pickpockets.

Had this one tried on me at the Paris train station a couple of years ago. Pretty much just walked right over the top of the woman who tried to make me stop.

Pickpocketed twice in Barcelona. Once while drunk - I got it back - and again getting on the train to leave the joint. Knew straight away but couldn't get off the train to tackle the bloke. cough. Zero intentions of going back to that city. Be happy if it was burnt to the ground really.

But as long as you're not making yourself a huge target you can get by almost anywhere.
 
I had some gypsy kids try to get into my day pack while waiting in line to buy a metro ticket in Barca in the late 90s. They ran off when I turned around. I had my wallet stolen in Sydney by some street kids in the late '80s. I guess I'm pretty lucky, because over so many years it could have been worse.
 
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Agreed - no real surprises on that list.

Oddly enough, the "safest" of those five on the list would, in my opinion, be Paris.

I become rather anti-social in many of these countries simply due to the risk of pickpocketing and not being able to afford to be distracted. Paris, I have somewhat more of a get out because I can speak French. If you get approached cold in the street in English in Paris and the person is not clearly Anglophone or from Asia, alarm bells set off more or less immediately.

I don't really have any "anti-pickpocketing" strategies except that I never carry anything in my back pocket. A jacket with an inner pocket is very useful for keeping some other things; if it has a zip, even better. Generally, I try and "rig" something in each pocket with valuables so that it is much harder to steal from that pocket without either making a sound or causing a feeling sensation (and yes, I am aware that the best pickpockets can remove things without even the most feint feeling).

I don't have a phony wallet or body wallet. I try to keep my wallet as slim as possible, but not too slim because very slim wallets are actually easier to pick off. If I need to get money from an ATM (rather rare), I'll do it quickly and check my surroundings before I do, plus heighten my senses whilst doing it. Withdrawing money in a bank or inside a train station is usually a better idea in my experience.

Basically you stay much more aware, but, as often said, it's foolish to completely write off a city just because of the risk. When crime gets to the point that people are openly robbed, injured, shot, tortured or killed, then we'll talk about it. That's a funny irony; in places where pickpocketing is common, the thieves more or less just want to steal from you. Although they don't categorically care about you, they aren't usually out to physically hurt or kill you; otherwise, that's exactly what they would do and still rob you.

I feel kind of sorry for women. The modern woman is changing, but a handbag and large clutch purse is still a part of almost every quintessential woman's kit. Handbags are prime targets for snatching, especially at cafes where women put them down on the floor or sling them behind their chairs, or slashed or grabbed off by a quick passerby (sometimes on foot, sometimes on a moped).

Why do many reports of pickpockets tend to come from tourists? Are locals immune to pickpocketing, or are they really that much more aware of it that they are virtually immune? Or, is it really that pickpockets are more out to steal from tourists rather than their own country (though most pickpockets are not usually natives anyway!).
 
I've been to all cities on this list, some multiple times (Paris x 7 Rome x 2) and have never been caught out or even seen anyone been pocketed. I hear about these stories and read about them all the time, and totally disregard them. Maybe I'm just lucky. I'll be in Paris in a weeks time, I'll relay any criminal activity I witness.

I suppose it depends on what activity one does.

One activity we do is sitting in squares or main streets and having cappuccinos for half an hour or so, and observing the people going by. Pickpockets are simple to spot - since they usually keep going back and forth tailing potential marks. After several cappuccinos over several days - like on Gran Via in Madrid - and one keeps seeing the same persons going along closely behind tourists, well, either the guy just loves walking up and down the same street continuously for no apparent reason, or he is a pickpocket. Also, in Rome, in addition to that previoulsy described, we sat outside McDonalds and observed a steady flow of kids going to and from a fa_in type character sitting at another table.

Another activity is getting onto a bus in Rome - and observing six or seven pairs of male eyes instantly looking at my wife's Guess bag. Most males typically wouldn't have any idea whether a bag is a designer bag or a cheap no-name bag. They were thieves, waiting for the bus to get crowded, whereupon they'd get up and approach their mark through the crowd. My wife was holding onto her bag in front of her and it was being continually prodded from all directions - but she couldn't see which persons were doing it in the crush, while I was having great difficulty with my bag, which a dwarf nearly got into.

In Champs Elysees, it was pretty easy to spot pairs of men separated by about three meters, standing still on opposite sides of the footpath, constantly making eye contact, then switching eyes to a coming mark, then back again to each other - the mark having been identified, and then they went into action.

I can't say we saw much by way of pickpocketing activity in Prague, though we didn't use the trams much.

My sister-in-law's brother was in Barcelona, looking after his and his wife's backpacks which he had at his feet. He was talking on his phone. Two big guys about twenty meters away suddenly started running towards him, bumped him from both sides, and ran off with the back-packs. They lost everything except what was in their pockets.

In Naples three months ago, on a bus, I grabbed two fingers of a chap who had them in my pocket.

The thing is, if it so simple for two tourists like my wife and I - my wife a former finance officer in university, and me, a former engineer in Defence - to spot active pickpockets, then plainly it should be even more simple for experienced undercover police to do so. The police and judiciary could fix the problem in no time, if they wanted to in the cities mentioned in the article. That they don't do so seems to me to be indicative of the fact that they don't want to.

So I won't be going back to any of those cities.
Regards,
Renato
 
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My strategy in likely pick-pocket cities is to put a old decoy wallet in my back pocket with around $5 or equivalent in local currency, along with some expired cards etc. This allows them to take the wallet with less risk of assault. My real money supply and cards will be stuffed down inside the front of my pants.

What are your strategies?


My strategy relies on my driving to Wonthaggi in Victoria, and visiting a mens clothing store on the main street which still sells Farah Casual trousers, and buying several pairs of them. They are tighter fitting than most trousers, and have deeper pocket liners than most trousers.

So, it just becomes a habit overseas, I put my wallet into my front left trouser pocket, and twist the wallet and pocket liner around once. It is now impossible for anyone to get the wallet out. And I will know it if they try. One can't do this with regular trousers, as the pocket liner may not be deep enough or, if it is, if the trousers are too loose fitting, then the pocket liner can untwist while walking around.

As for the other pocket which may have car keys of hotel keys in it, crunch up some train or bus tickets, or plane boarding passes, and put the crunched paper on top of what you have in the pocket. It isn't foolproof, but pickpockets may pull out the crunched paper first, or try work their way around it - which should alert you that something is amiss down there.

Only downside is that in every picture taken overseas, I am wearing Farah Casual trousers.
Regards,
Renato
 
The thing is, if it so simple for two tourists like my wife and I - my wife a former finance officer in university, and me, a former engineer in Defence - to spot active pickpockets, then plainly it should be even more simple for experienced undercover police to do so. The police and judiciary could fix the problem in no time, if they wanted to in the cities mentioned in the article. That they don't do so seems to me to be indicative of the fact that they don't want to.

There are several parts of the apparent "apathy" of police in those various jurisdictions to act. Some are somewhat understandable and others not. Let's dump them all out.

Maybe the police have bigger fish to fry. A problem like pickpocketing can be "self-regulated" by the individual, viz. by having people more vigilant, it "solves" the problem without actually needing police effort. Someone actually robbing you by force is different.

In order to charge someone for a crime, you need to see them do it, or have incontrovertible witnesses to that event. I think you are actually much sharper than the average person, let alone the average tourist, when it comes to spotting pickpockets. I don't rank police in those jurisdictions as necessarily as bright as you as picking out pickpockets, unless racial assumptions (e.g. spotting Roma) counts. Even more to that is picking out who are pickpockets without letting on that they are police. The pickpockets aren't dumb either - they know faces and unless the police force goes through a high turnover rate, you can dress a cop in Roma clothes and they'll still know they are a cop and thus won't let on.

The best pickpockets can steal from a mark without anyone else knowing. That includes police. The mark won't know they've been had until the thief is well and truly away from the scene. If they are caught by surveillance cameras, the relay between seeing the act and any police force nearby to catch the thief is often too late. You can't just pull up any person and say they are a thief and charge them with theft, even if they truly are a pickpocket, unless you have evidence that they have. Returning to the station and interrogating the **** out of them, even if they confess, is a lot to go through just to nail one pickpocket who has no chance of recompensing their victims. If they are a child or under the age of being able to be legally charged, they basically get let go, since you can't do anything against them - you almost have no right to detain them, and you can't physically discipline them.

You can't just pick them up saying they are thieves then deport them. If they have no ID, where do you send them? You can't just shoot them, tempting as it might be. You can't chop off their hands. If you put them all in jail then that'll be a pretty sight and a mess to manage (and you actually need to feed, clothe and make sure they are humanely comfortable in jail). If you catch one in the act, making you whole involves ensuring you have the item back; anything punitive against the thief for attempting to steal from you in the first place is normally not a topic of discussion, and if it is then we are back to what do we do about it.

There was a story of a man in Paris who was taking money out of an ATM when he was set upon by a group of Roma teenagers. Nothing subtle here, just swarm and start rummaging for stuff to steal. I think he froze but otherwise managed to scare them off before anything got stolen. The kids just resumed walking down the street as if nothing happened. There really is nothing you could have done. You might have been able to take a swipe or punch at one of them, and if you get pinged for it, you could claim self-defence.

Then of course, there's your approach - never go back.

Maybe police aren't really doing their job (some would say, who could blame them, the pay is ****). After all, the combined forces of two countries cannot stop the flow of illegal immigrants at Calais; with all the technology, personnel and several options for improving the process. That doesn't compute...
 
My strategy relies on my driving to Wonthaggi in Victoria, and visiting a mens clothing store on the main street which still sells Farah Casual trousers, and buying several pairs of them. They are tighter fitting than most trousers, and have deeper pocket liners than most trousers.

It really just sounds like you should stay in Wonthaggi and never go anywhere!
 
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