UK - in or out of the EU? Travel Issues?

[whatmeworry]

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Meanwhile researcher's in the UK receive about £1 billion pounds from the EU. Scientists are dismayed.

Senior scientists in Britain have reacted with dismay to the nation’s collective decision to walk away from a European Union that hands them nearly £1bn a year for research, and sends to their laboratories some of the most brilliant minds in the world.
The leave vote prompted immediate concerns for the future of staff and students from non-UK member states already at work in Britain, and the impact the result could have on the ability of leading institutions to attract the best overseas talent to the country.
Paul Boyle, vice-chancellor of Leicester University, called the “shocking result” a “dark day for UK science” and called for every effort to be made to counter any impression that the UK had become less welcoming to international researchers. He called on the science community to start campaigning immediately to protect the science budget.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...blow-to-uk-science-say-top-british-scientists

 

[Warks]

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And this perspective from NoNews:

Brexit: Why it was a great thing

 

[Julesmac]

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I find it amusing and yet puzzling that people (ok the 'stayers) are now squealing about the result. Because they don't like it. However - that's what's called a democracy. Agree or disagree with the result, the majority - albeit it a smallish margin - has voted. If you can't be coughd to vote don't then complain when things don't go your way.If they felt that strongly about it they should have gotten involved in the campaign and tried to rally more to vote for their cause. I am sure there are many on both sides who didn't think through the consequences, which I think will be interesting to see. One biggie I reckon is that Putin will really start to flex his muscle and move in on some of the former satellites of the USSR. Another will be to watch the old emnities re-emerging - Britain against those damned Frogs for instance, and just what amount of bloody mindedness the EU will display as Britain disentagles the ties. We live in interesting times!

 

[RooFlyer]

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Meanwhile researcher's in the UK receive about £1 billion pounds from the EU. Scientists are dismayed.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...blow-to-uk-science-say-top-british-scientists

Great scientists, but I wonder how good they are at maths?

Cash contribution by the UK to the EU >>>>>>>>>>> than the billion they seem to get back as science grants.

Have a read of the quote at #385 and the article as a whole. They say effectively "We don't know what will happen ..." but then go on to just more fear mongering and whinging again about how the young (you know, the ones who by and large couldn't be bothered to vote) will miss out.

 

[drron]

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And this perspective from NoNews:

Brexit: Why it was a great thing

Thanks Warks.that link showed how great the media has become.The petition for a rerun is a fraud-
EXCLUSIVE: Brexit ‘2nd Referendum Petition’ A 4 Chan Prank: BBC Report It As Real | Heat Street

 

[dajop]

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I One biggie I reckon is that Putin will really start to flex his muscle and move in on some of the former satellites of the USSR. Another will be to watch the old emnities re-emerging - Britain against those damned Frogs for instance, and just what amount of bloody mindedness the EU will display as Britain disentagles the ties. We live in interesting times!

Couple Brexit with a Trump presidency, it will certainly be an interesting 2017 ( I believe the same forces that lead to Brexit will lead to Trump becoming president). Not sure where it will all end up though. One things for sure, whoever wins next weekend (Turnbull or Shorten) nothing much will change in Australian politics ....

 

[PLANT]

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[Boca68]

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Couple Brexit with a Trump presidency, it will certainly be an interesting 2017 ( I believe the same forces that lead to Brexit will lead to Trump becoming president). Not sure where it will all end up though. One things for sure, whoever wins next weekend (Turnbull or Shorten) nothing much will change in Australian politics ....

Simplistic, but unfortunately correct, dajop.

The same type of forces are at play. Your analogy is pretty spot on. (heaven forbid The Don though)

(P.S. Dajop, not meaning your post was simplistic, but the forces at play are....just to clarify, ok)

 

[wandering_fred]

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Couple Brexit with a Trump presidency, it will certainly be an interesting 2017 ( I believe the same forces that lead to Brexit will lead to Trump becoming president). Not sure where it will all end up though. One things for sure, whoever wins next weekend (Turnbull or Shorten) nothing much will change in Australian politics ....

Unless the change in Senate voting procedures backfires.

Or is that too much wandering

Fred

 

[marki]

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Hey Plant are you trying to say something profound with the dots?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

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Couple Brexit with a Trump presidency, it will certainly be an interesting 2017 ( I believe the same forces that lead to Brexit will lead to Trump becoming president). Not sure where it will all end up though. One things for sure, whoever wins next weekend (Turnbull or Shorten) nothing much will change in Australian politics ....

Maybe... hopefully... the Brexit has served as a warning for people not to vote Trump 'just for fun'. Maybe the UK has saved the world??

 

[dajop]

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Simplistic, but unfortunately correct, dajop.

The same type of forces are at play. Your analogy is pretty spot on. (heaven forbid The Don though)

(P.S. Dajop, not meaning your post was simplistic, but the forces at play are....just to clarify, ok)

When you bring up the word "simplistic", I'm almost of the opinion the biggest threat to democracy as we know it, does not come from radical islamic terrorists, Russian chest thumpers, North Korean despots or the Chinese communist party, but instead twitter and how rapidly it allows opinions and misinformation to be shared

An example of this the other day when, early after polls closed, the Age (and presumably the SMH) posted an ongoing update about Brexit and right at the top was three tweets from Lindsay Lohan, laughable that this passes as news. I would say who care, but the sad bit is people do care ... Tweets (particularly tweets from celebrities) do pass as news, and probably are right at the top list of sources which people get information, on which people make decisions how to vote. In 140 characters!

 

[JohnK]

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Why did you leave this bit out-


So brexit would have still won.

If 7% of leave voters regretted their decision and 4% of Remain voters regretted their decision wouldn't that make the Remain vote the winner at 51%?

* I am using the assumption that Leave received 52% of the votes and remain 48% of the votes. Apologies if that is incorrect.

 

[Moindardt]

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We were in London for the couple of days afterwards and I spoke to quite a few people and every single one said the issue was the arrogance of Brussels dictating policy to Brits. Those who said they voted to leave would have all voted stay if Britain had been granted some concessions.

 

[Moindardt]

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Maybe... hopefully... the Brexit has served as a warning for people not to vote Trump 'just for fun'. Maybe the UK has saved the world??

I totally disagree. Barack Obama was the worst example of "just for fun". He was voted in because he was black. Full stop. And what a disaster he has inflicted upon the world.

I think Brexit is about frustration at the uselessness of the establishment and bureaucracy determining how we all live. I far prefer Trump to Hilary who is the absolute worst of what the establishment is and political correctness has become. Her biggest asset is she is a woman. Automatically most negative comments will be twisted by the media to be sexist where as almost all of hers will be negative.

Trump is a lot of wrong things but he is not politically correct and he hates bureaucracy. He can't do much worse than what Obama has done and maybe he will blunt Russia, North Korea etc.

Maybe England will save the world, from the stupidity of liberalism at all cost and political correctness.

And yes, I know one of the PC mob will be mortally offended on the behalf of someone somewhere. Blah blah blah.

 

[Pushka]

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While not necessarily liking being politically correct just for the sake of it - Trump is just a bully. We wonder why people esp the young, think its ok to intimidate others - let's start with the examples shown by the leaders.

Was Obama voted in because he was black? Not sure but I did have hopes. Others can be voted in for gender. But if they do a great job then no one would say that. If they are poor performers then the 'difference' becomes the rationale for them being there.

 

[Pushka]

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And now with Iceland beating England at soccer - mmm - horribilus.

 

[marki]

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We were in London for the couple of days afterwards and I spoke to quite a few people and every single one said the issue was the arrogance of Brussels dictating policy to Brits. Those who said they voted to leave would have all voted stay if Britain had been granted some concessions.

This is exactly what I have been saying however arrogance won out from B

 

[vetrade]

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If 7% of leave voters regretted their decision and 4% of Remain voters regretted their decision wouldn't that make the Remain vote the winner at 51%?

* I am using the assumption that Leave received 52% of the votes and remain 48% of the votes. Apologies if that is incorrect.

"Leave" would still win, JohnK. Remain would gain 7% of the 52% who voted Leave (not 7% of all who voted) but would lose 4% of their 48% and vice versa for the Leave vote.

So the revised figures would be 50.28% Leave and 49.72% Remain

 

[vetrade]

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Picture in the Herald Sun this morning of a demonstrator in London waving a placard which read "Politicians are like sperm - only 1 in a million turns out to be human"