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Whilst I generally agree with the OP on most points I just do not see any alternatives. Well not viable and not in my experience. Perhaps I am being stubborn and JQ and TT are the solution. But somehow I don't think so.

So from where I am sitting it would appear that Qantas has a mainly captive audience who are not likely to change their flying habits, apart from a small percentage, so they can get away with providing inferior service.
 
Must say what a nice job they did on the Cairns domestic Flounge, nice and modern with lottsa room, but gee how about a decent feed, not seen any hot food selections, also be nice to make a decent sandwich, not bothered with booze but I guess they have it, come on Q you can do better than this!.

Flounge?????? :mrgreen:

Domestic Flounge?????? :shock:
 
short for flyer lounge.

I have zero expectations in Y. I generally have something to eat or a coffee in the lounge, maybe have a Multi-V juice, and expect no WP recognition on board (On a domestic flight I have had 1 CSM recognise my status on board). On SYD-MEL-SYD God knows how many WPs on board there are?

Frankly, all of the snacks are full of sugar or carbs so I pass on them all.

Having no expectations means that when a FA sees the pin of my NGO on my suit, and strikes up conversation about how she donates to us, it makes for a wonderful on board experience.
 
ahhh.. for a minute we all thought there was a domestic First Lounge in CNS!! :mrgreen:

Certainly it is anything but. It is huge, ugly and cheap n' nasty feeling. I think the furniture all came from Fantastic furniture or Sidneys lounge discounters :!: I liked the old lounge but it was way too small.

Unless I want the loo or a shower I just go and grab a pizza or a sandwich and sit in the new outside courtyard downstairs.

When I fly in Y I don't expect much and so I am pleasantly surprised by anything that is good, if the meal is edible then that's a good result. It's J that is all rather pathetic when you take the price into consideration. You really aren't getting much for your dollars. At nearly $3000 return to CNS you have the right to expect an all round better experience, lounge, onboard service, food, seat, entertainment.
 
Just to keep the context - I was only comparing it to previous flights on the same route. So it's not pie in the sky.

And the WP recognition was not a point of concern, - I certainly don't expect it, especially on domestic. I should have left it out - the point was just about staff being disinterested in general.

I also want to acknowledge that Red Roo has taken the feedback on board and passed it on to the relevant areas - so thank you QF.
 
So from where I am sitting it would appear that Qantas has a mainly captive audience who are not likely to change their flying habits, apart from a small percentage, so they can get away with providing inferior service.

+1 to this - and QF knows it only to well, time will tell just how many % of market share are 'captive'
 
Yeah I have a problem with the meals \ pricing as well. They offer the same price for a flight regardless of if a meal will be served or not. I remember the good ole days when getting dinner was a standard part of flying... As a kid I remember doing a flight from ADL-MEL which left mid afternoon and yet getting a fully cooked meal with dessert on the tray, and then getting a fully cooked meal from MEL-CBR which that evening.

These days your lucky to get a sandwich on shorter flights, and yet things like SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE (which are not really that much longer, the only difference is SYD is involved) still get the cooked dinner at dinner time. As for flying outside of meal times (except PER flights) a cookie and a can of coke does not constitute premium service.
 
I agree with this re teh food. The meal times are very narrow - 6PM? If I catch a 5PM flight I don't get home until 7:30 some days...
 
I agree with this re teh food. The meal times are very narrow - 6PM? If I catch a 5PM flight I don't get home until 7:30 some days...

Agree, a refreshment at 8PM does not cut it!
 
I guess I'll chuck in my averages, only because they give some longer term indication. Qantas costs me ~$20 more per flight on average, my blood boils to be offered a snack for that $20. Usually it is offered as sweet or savory, so the staff are not even presenting it as real food with a name.

Ok, I'll have a lump of savory, thanks, oh qantas, for your kind and giving consideration. :rolleyes: I'm sure if they served up a log of S***e it would fit the description of savory. Ok, I gotta leave it at that and take a walk.


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The there is CX out of HKG leaves about midnight, they serve food at 1am as everyone just about wants to sleep, absolute waste, could save them a bucketload of cash if they stopped this stupid practice.
 
Whilst I generally agree with the OP on most points I just do not see any alternatives. Well not viable and not in my experience. Perhaps I am being stubborn and JQ and TT are the solution. But somehow I don't think so.

So from where I am sitting it would appear that Qantas has a mainly captive audience who are not likely to change their flying habits, apart from a small percentage, so they can get away with providing inferior service.

I agree.

As another has said, when QF are good they are excellent, but ...

Once I requlaify for VA Platinum, I will go back to QF to keep earning SC's towards Lifetime Gold. If i ma not completely captured by VA in the meantime.

OOL is my closest port, 20 minutes from home or office. Once the VA Lounge opens, wwho knows?
 
I believe QF isn't the only premium airline offering snack boxes. I believe MH (off the top of my head) is a current 5 star airline doing something similar.
I believe it was a reason to choose 3K over MH in a recent thread.
Airlines
 
I believe QF isn't the only premium airline offering snack boxes. I believe MH (off the top of my head) is a current 5 star airline doing something similar.
I believe it was a reason to choose 3K over MH in a recent thread.
Airlines

Snack box would be an improvement.

Even the Snack on Q bags you get in long haul economy has more.

EDIT - QF, here's how you can fix the "refreshment flights".

1/ the cookie is not sufficient!

2/ Add the bottle of water back in.

3/ Add the Toblerone back in.

4/ Add the ice-cream back in.

5/ Add the supplementary coffee run back in.


In other words - if I'm flying CNS-BNE or CNS-SYD then the service offering should be the same on EVERY flight (the exception being that on "meal" flight I get the Neil Perry Slop, and on the "refreshment" flights I get the cookie).

That's what I expect - that's what we used to get, and that's what you should deliver.

Alternatively - offer a significant discount off the "refreshment" flights so that the price is more in line with JQ as the service offering certainly is.
 
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Once I requlaify for VA Platinum, I will go back to QF to keep earning SC's towards Lifetime Gold. If i ma not completely captured by VA in the meantime.
At the current rate it will take me at least another 4 years to get Lifetime Gold which is my target with Qantas. I simply cannot afford to send more than a few flights a year to VA.
 
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The there is CX out of HKG leaves about midnight, they serve food at 1am as everyone just about wants to sleep, absolute waste, could save them a bucketload of cash if they stopped this stupid practice.

The catering on QF29 going the other way MEL-HKG is also a little bizarre. The flight leaves at midnight and they then start serving a full meal in F, which I couldn't eat more than a fraction of considering I had just eaten a regular meal at 6pm and an F lounge meal at 10pm - besides being dead tired and more than a little drunk on champagne. The odd thing was that the F breakfast served the next morning was only a continental style with no hot food aside from warmed bread said to be toast. On flights like this I would much rather QF served a snack at midnight and a full hot breakfast in the morning.

As for the non-service of meals on domestic flights yes it really does p*ss me off to be sitting in J on a flight that leaves MEL at say 5.30pm and gets in at 7pm and to be served some $5 snack. If I am in the air after 5pm and before 9pm I expect to be fed a proper meal.
 
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Well said. I'm not a plat flyer, just a goldy. But that still means I contribute something to QF's bottom line as all pax do.

In reply..

1. Food. I was once a very vocal advocate of QF and encouraged many friends to join QFF which they did. Over recent years I have found service on the ground and in the air becoming more of an issue I care to deal with. The local primary school tuck shop often offers food more inspiring than the Neil Perry offerings. It must be a Sydney thing that finds the NP food inspiring. A crumbly muffin with/out apple on a short domestic flight is not worth the effort. The person who decided on the tuna roll for lunch should be removed immediately.

Asking for the second cup of coffee or soft drink brings a scowl from many a FA on both short and long haul flights. I tried once the advertised open bar on a J class international flight in the middle of the night. The resultant scorn from FAs who thought that area was their domain to gossip free from pax was evident. I was told I was given water hours ago. Sorry I didn't use the ignore button. Sheesh.

2. Staff. As has been said many times here and elsewhere expect the unexpected or the only consistent thing is inconsistency. I'm a reasonable person, quiet and undemanding but I seem to often get the bi polar FAs. Either helpful or the complete opposite. I would expect all pax to be treated with professionalism and courtesy regardless of status and I don't seek special treatment. However a large number of FAs really need to reassess their attitude. I had an incident last year with an out of control kid in front using the recline button as a toy over and over as well as banging on the seat. This resulted in a mess on my clothing and laptop. I rang the ignore button and eventually a FA arrived. When told what happened he shrugged his shoulders and went on. No offer of anything to clean myself and computer. I asked to speak to the CSM and he told me he was! Name badge hidden of course. Complaints to QF customer care have resulted in an offer of compensation which I accepted however the compensation never eventuated despite reminders. I'm persistent.

That and the fact that a points request for upgrade to a near empty cabin are ignored, lost luggage with no apology, arriving at a partner airline checkin and immediately being offered a better seat or upgrade, attempts at booking award flights on a dysfunctional website, and many other things have made me reassess my loyalty to QF. Flight price is another factor with decent airlines offering a better and more consistent product.

My status is achieved mainly from a few QF flights with a good deal more partner airlines contributing to my status credits and FF points.

I'm bound to be shot flaming arrows from many QF loyalists here but that is just my experience over 17 years and how I feel now.
 
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