USA restricts travel from Europe's Schengen area

[OATEK]

You are indeed correct! I was thinking of this problem in terms of the territories I've actually visited... turns out GIB is approximately as far as the closest point of Britain itself, but Jersey is a good 120km closer!

OTOH, if you're stuck in San Marino, a country which is technically not in Schengen even though it has open borders with Schengen, and is thus not covered by the President's proclamation even though it has one of the world's highest rates of coronavirus infection per capita... you can easily manage the 150km over to Croatia (part of the EU, but not yet Schengen, and thus excluded as well) via helicopter. Same if you're a Catholic official and haven't left the borders of the Vatican...

Wonder how many San Marinans go to the US each week? Its easy enough to pick holes in the net, but the intent is to slow the spread, not prevent it. Perhaps the ban will help - ony time will tell.

 

[ajd]

Wonder how many San Marinans go to the US each week? Its easy enough to pick holes in the net, but the intent is to slow the spread, not prevent it. Perhaps the ban will help - ony time will tell.

Yes, yes, I know this, I'm just dreaming about situations where I might be forced by governmental action into renting a private helicopter.

(That said, it *is* a bit odd that their legal team didn't think to include the minor non-Schengen countries which show up on the Schengen Area Wikipedia article. Or maybe I'm just much more interested in the political status of minor states than the average person who might find themselves working in US Homeland Security.)

 

[CaptJCool]

I did post the data analytics study earlier. The move will delay broadscale infection but could be a case of too late - the horse may already have bolted...

Italy was stuck on the banned list the day after The Ferrari team motored into Melbourne ! Coincidence.

Was reported tonight our daily rated arrivals at the time was 1100 koreans & 10 Italians so hence Korea banned earlier.

 

[burmans]

Given how bad President Trump is handling this issue, it won't be long before countries start banning US visitors. Indeed, it looks like Australia should have already banned US visitors, given the influx of cases coming from the US.

It will be pretty funny to see how the President reacts when the shoe is on the other foot.

Shouldn't be long now, US climbing the infection list every day.

 

[Spongbob]

Fortunately we are not doing our RTW trip in 2020.

 

[jakeseven7]

Shouldn't be long now, US climbing the infection list every day.

It will be a brave first ‘western like’ country to ban the US. There is an element of politics here like it or not.

I wonder if the UK and the US might announce a ‘bilateral’ travel ban to ease egos on both sides.

But def the US and UK are both overrun just behind on reporting.

 

[SydneySwan]

This is the response from the EU as reported by UK Daily Telegraph;

The European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, and the European Council president, Charles Michel, said in a statement: "The European Union disapproves of the fact that the US decision to improve a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation."

 

[Vic]

But no flights were turned around.
Simiarly when we banned foreign nationals coming in from China some arrived having already boarded their flight to find they couldn't enter Australia.

Love the pedantics. I'm going to guess the people who were locked up and turned around, who were in the air when the ban (Corn Curtain) came down probably don't appreciate the semantics.

 

[Vic]

Is it wrong though? It's actually easier to read that story off the news website. ABC is a mass of mixed news

damn abc for reporting more than rupert's opinion

 

[drron]

Love the pedantics. I'm going to guess the people who were locked up and turned around, who were in the air when the ban (Corn Curtain) came down probably don't appreciate the semantics.

No pedantics or semantics.My post quoted a previous poster who said this
"I wonder who in the White House persuaded DT not to apply the ban immediately and have planes turned around in the air like when he banned travellers from 7 Muslim countries. "

 

[SydneySwan]

Wonder how many San Marinans go to the US each week? Its easy enough to pick holes in the net, but the intent is to slow the spread, not prevent it. Perhaps the ban will help - ony time will tell.

I notice that Japan had considered the issue of San Marinans;

The Japanese government has announced further travel restrictions
Foreigners who have visited the following regions in the past 14 days, are not permitted to enter Japan

• Iran: Qom, Tehran, Gilan, Manzandaran, Isfahan, Alborz, Markazi, Qazvin, Semnan, Golestan and Lorestan Province
• Italy: Lombardy, Veneto, Emilia-Romagna, Marche and Piedmont Region
• Republic of San Marino
• South Korea: Daegu-guangyeok-si, Gyeongsan-si, Andong-si, Yeongcheon-si, Cheondo-gun, Chilgok-gun, Uiseong-gun, Seongju-gun, Gunwi-gun in Gyeongsangbuk-do
• China: Hubei and Zhejiang Province

 

[CaptJCool]

Thecprivatised health system in the USA HAS A LOT TO BLAME for the travel ban.

Like it or not, the travel ban is to avoid an overwhelming collapse in their system where the poor are left to fend for themselves.. and those willing to pay for service get served .

Unlike our socialised health system that caters for everybody AND has been marshalled to get ready for a capacity level of patients by cancelling state funded elective surgery and the like

 

[SydneySwan]

Interesting comment on Head4Points a UK travel blog. The comment is directed at UK residents.

'For absolute clarity …. don’t think that the US authorities will not know that you have visited a Schengen country in the past 14 days. Ever since 9/11, the amount of data collected on your flying patterns is substantial and freely shared.'

 

[Pushka]

Interesting comment on Head4Points a UK travel blog. The comment is directed at UK residents.

'For absolute clarity …. don’t think that the US authorities will not know that you have visited a Schengen country in the past 14 days. Ever since 9/11, the amount of data collected on your flying patterns is substantial and freely shared.'

I've been trying to explain this on Cruise Critic. It's rather strange, given that US has likely so many unknown undiagnosed cases, they are concerned about people trying to avoid a ban by coming in via UK. If only they could look in their own backyard!

 

[burmans]

I've been trying to explain this on Cruise Critic. It's rather strange, given that US has likely so many unknown undiagnosed cases, they are concerned about people trying to avoid a ban by coming in via UK. If only they could look in their own backyard!

+1000 the phrase 'shutting the gate after the horse has bolted' springs to mind.

 

[levelnine]

The US is going to make the situation in Italy look like a pleasant Sunday stroll.

There are estimates that over 100,000 people already have corona virus in the State of Ohio alone.

Ohio health official estimates 100,000 people in state have coronavirus

A top health official in Ohio estimated on Thursday that more than 100,000 people in the state have coronavirus, a shockingly high number that underscores the limited testing so far.Ohio …

thehill.com

 

[Franky]

I've been trying to explain this on Cruise Critic. It's rather strange, given that US has likely so many unknown undiagnosed cases, they are concerned about people trying to avoid a ban by coming in via UK. If only they could look in their own backyard!

Pushka - I would suggest that there are many countries that have many unknown undiagnosed cases of the virus, including Australia...

 

[RooFlyer]

There are estimates that over 100,000 people already have corona virus in the State of Ohio alone.

There's a thoughtful article that's been posted by a couple of people on AFF that estimates the number of 'diagnosed' or 'unreported' cases in France (where I am now) as some very spectacular figures. EG here: Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

Just one excerpt:

France claims 1,400 cases today and 30 deaths. Using the two methods above, you can have a range of cases: between 24,000 and 140,000.

France, Spain, Switzerland have only just announced they all closing schools, universities and prohibiting large gatherings. But Italy has been recognised a basket case for well over a week!! How's that for a delayed, 'too late' response?

This focusing on the USA, and how 'bad they've done it' (ie cheap shots at DJT ... ho hum) completely ignores the situation in Europe. Italy is the country that people should be casting scorn on and looking at the non-containment. (this is a general comment, not having a dig at you levelnine)

 

[RooFlyer]

WHO declares Europe the 'epicenter' of the virus pandemic ( BBC)

Coronavirus: Europe now epicentre of the pandemic, says WHO

More cases are now reported every day in Europe than in China at its peak, the WHO says.

www.bbc.com

Wot?! Not the USA? May make DJT's decision rather enlightened.

 

[amaroo]

WHO declares Europe the 'epicenter' of the virus pandemic ( BBC)

Coronavirus: Europe now epicentre of the pandemic, says WHO

More cases are now reported every day in Europe than in China at its peak, the WHO says.

www.bbc.com

Wot?! Not the USA? May make DJT's decision rather enlightened.

Gov all around the world are starting to move on this. You better get home quick smart!