VA to fly to SIN [Rumour?]

[markis10]

I think that JQ changed from 2 flights a week to 3 flights a week for June/July. Do you know the July numbers? It's interesting that HNL is certainly not a budget destination but QF chooses to fly their budget airline their from MEL rather than QF mainline which might attract a broader group of travelers, especially if they put a decent aircraft on the route. QF just refuse to acknowledge that MEL is soon to be Australia's biggest city.

Those figures are for three flight a week which was eff March.

 

[eastwest101]

... 26 services flown in June carrying 5560 passengers, thats 213 per flight average or around 100 seats empty per flight.

Thanks for that info - if that is typical that is actually very ordinary - considering we have had record AU/US exchange rates and outbound tourism, and the direct JQ MEL-HNL has no competition at all - except for very bad and/or overpriced competition via BNE and SYD (in the form of HA and QF).

 

[lovestotravel]

What makes you say that, 26 services flown in June carrying 5560 passengers, thats 213 per flight average or around 100 seats empty per flight.

Was going off what someone told me that should know what they are talking about...... well maybe

Considering they have only been on the route about 10 months it's pretty good, and yields are doing VERY well, but that's the lack of sales helping that and no competition

Plus they are increasing to 4 flights a week over Dec/Jan, so things are going very well on that route

 

[lovestotravel]

The other part to the VA to fly to SIN rumour is that Tiger will expand into Asia and HNL to compete with JQ, which I belive more than VA using A330's

That rumor came from that "professional" pilots network.....

 

[day_mee]

The other part to the VA to fly to SIN rumour is that Tiger will expand into Asia and HNL to compete with JQ, which I belive more than VA using A330's

That rumor came from that "professional" pilots network.....

That would require them moving away from their current short haul strategy, seems more of a Scoot thing than a Tigerair thing. Mind you SQ has little control over TZ/TT

 

[maninblack]

Interestingly seats available direct AUS-HNL has grown from about 2500 per week 7 years ago to around 6000 now. Perhaps it's saturated but I still think JQ is the wrong option out of MEL.

 

[markis10]

Was going off what someone told me that should know what they are talking about...... well maybe

Considering they have only been on the route about 10 months it's pretty good, and yields are doing VERY well, but that's the lack of sales helping that and no competition

Plus they are increasing to 4 flights a week over Dec/Jan, so things are going very well on that route

Increases over peak are common, I don't believe JQ are going well on any long haul twin aisle route which is one of the reasons why the A330s are coming back to mainline early.

 

[lovestotravel]

Increases over peak are common, I don't believe JQ are going well on any long haul twin aisle route which is one of the reasons why the A330s are coming back to mainline early.

Possibly, but the 787 has more seats than the 330 at the same time and rumour is that the HNL route gets them first as they need the capacity, so who knows!

Then you can add in the maintenance costs of the older 330s that QF can now pay for instead of JQ.....

 

[maninblack]

NZ say they plan to use their 777-9's to HNL replacing the 763 and seasonal 772 service. I would have thought they would use their older 772's on this route once the 763's go.

 

[Jamesl]

Watch out for XFA/B...

With the discussion with TT doing SY-PH BOC that might free up an A330(potentially)...watch for SIN/HKG and a tie up with CX to come...

 

[yohy?!]

Watch out for XFA/B...

With the discussion with TT doing SY-PH BOC that might free up an A330(potentially)...watch for SIN/HKG and a tie up with CX to come...

A CX tie up would be a real headache for QF - don't know how likely it is with OW but stranger things have happened and CX are seriously p!ssed over JQ HK at present...

 

[Jamesl]

A CX tie up would be a real headache for QF - don't know how likely it is with OW but stranger things have happened and CX are seriously p!ssed over JQ HK at present...

Plus VA are looking for a carrier to take traffic into china. As a side product it ties up with VS.

 

[notzac]

I can't imagine for a second that SQ (a major shareholder) would be too impressed with VA getting in to bed with CX. VA can already get traffic in to China via SQ, so why would they do any better with CX? Mind, I'd love for VA to fly in to HKG..

 

[roby]

I can't imagine for a second that SQ (a major shareholder) would be too impressed with VA getting in to bed with CX. VA can already get traffic in to China via SQ, so why would they do any better with CX? Mind, I'd love for VA to fly in to HKG..

CX/KA combined have more than double the destinations SQ serve in Mainland China is probably why. Most people in China would also choose more direct flights than the likes of SIN/BKK.

 

[anat0l]

I can't imagine for a second that SQ (a major shareholder) would be too impressed with VA getting in to bed with CX. VA can already get traffic in to China via SQ, so why would they do any better with CX? Mind, I'd love for VA to fly in to HKG..

Well, CX might jump to *A, especially if they are seriously annoyed enough by QF/JQ, and if CA has something to do with all of it. That will deal quite a crippling blow to oneworld, which will almost obliterate the alliance operation within Asia.

Besides, doesn't SQ also hold a significant stake in VS? I'm sure they won't mind adding some VS codeshares within China to tap into that traffic.

With penetration via CX, KA, Scoot, VA via codeshares, VS via codeshares, plus it's own operations and a nice grip with the natural Chinese influence of Singapore and premium brand, SQ should be sitting nicely bottling up most of the Chinese market. Not to mention their key competitor on a very busy route, SIN/HKG, is now in the same alliance.

(There's been some suggestions that SQ may be wasted from *A if CX join in; some of the pundits don't seem to mind this due to SQ's somewhat reluctant participation in *A...)

Note that everything above is mostly conjecture and rumour. The only strongest rumour seems to be that JQHK + QF is going to make CX snap in one way or another - what that action will be, no one knows...

 

[dajop]

Besides, doesn't SQ also hold a significant stake in VS? I'm sure they won't mind adding some VS codeshares within China to tap into that traffic.

Not any more. They sold their 49% stake to DL.

Not to mention their key competitor on a very busy route, SIN/HKG, is now in the same alliance.

I think the competition between SQ and CX is not particularly about SIN/HKG, like many routes that's a cosy little full service duopoly supplemented by LCC's. Where the two airlines compete most fiercely is for SE Asia - US traffic, in a market that is serviced by and abundance of competitors, these two airlines are the standouts in terms of quality carriers, and CX have been aggressively competing with SQ for premium traffic ex-SIN to US, and I guess, ex. It would be interesting to see how they would (or most likely wouldn't) co-operate in the same alliance. SQ and TG are in the same alliance, but are also fierce competitors, very little co-operation on that front!

 

[seritonin]

Galley talk is at it again... Apparently VA is set to take over EY473 BNE-SIN with A330 starting as early as September 2015... I won't hold my breath...

 

[rtyuiop]

Galley talk is at it again... Apparently VA is set to take over EY473 BNE-SIN with A330 starting as early as September 2015... I won't hold my breath...

Something funny going on there, don't EY stop doing SIN-BNE in June when they switch to direct BNE-AUH on a 787?

Danny

 

[Isochronous]

Galley talk is at it again... Apparently VA is set to take over EY473 BNE-SIN with A330 starting as early as September 2015... I won't hold my breath...

I still don't see why VA would - SIN to Australia flights can't be that profitable right now.

 

[notzac]

The only way I can see that making sense is if SQ give VA one of their BNE-SIN frequencies.