Vindictive seat selection?

[nlagalle]

Wow!! I've been *really* lucky then. (Unless they've changed on me in the past, but my seat has remained the same.)
Hope you didn't have too great a seat change for any of them?

If the aircraft has the same seat plan you wouldn't even know.

last seat change was from 25J to 27J (25j didn't exist on that 767 config)

Worst was a 763 change to a 734 change and my seat of 25B (pre selected) was kept so i was middle seat in the last row.. worse seat on the plane. I was swifty moved to Row 9 on board thanks to a very good FA.. My fault for not doing an OLCI..

 

[Pushka]

No it's not going in circles, you call people stuffy, which would be fair if the aircraft was full. Unfortunately, the post that you quote did not talk about a full aircraft. Just noting that in that specific situation you're stuffy comments aren't really appropriate.

And my point is that it is irrelevant whether the plane is full or not.

I would always select a seat in the forward part of the plane, because as others have noted, you do get access to things like taxis, before the crowd, even if it means that I have to sit next to someone. And I am not a noob...

That tiny slip of paper is what you get when you use QTags to check in and havent booked in online.

 

[samiam]

That tiny slip of paper is what you get when you use QTags to check in and havent booked in online.

And here I was thinking the FA was handing me their phone number!

I'll bear that in mind when I next check in with my QTag.

 

[medhead]

And my point is that it is irrelevant whether the plane is full or not.

I would always select a seat in the forward part of the plane, because as others have noted, you do get access to things like taxis, before the crowd, even if it means that I have to sit next to someone. And I am not a noob...

That tiny slip of paper is what you get when you use QTags to check in and havent booked in online.

Umm how about some numbers. On a 737 there are 60 seats in the first 10 rows of economy. So if you are in the 11th row and the plane is full there are 60 people in front of you to get off. But if the middle seats are empty there are only 40 people in front of you and that is equivalent to being in the 7th row, in terms of time to disembark. Big difference and IMO it is inconsiderate to not think of the comfort of others.

Funny, I get that slip of paper just about every time I fly regardless of how I check in, online, at the post, with a person. :shock: Seriously, though, Qtags are not used to check in they are bag tags. I also assume you mean check in online, rather than book. In any case, you get the bit of paper when you scan your QFF card at boarding even when you check in online.

 

[greenfish]

40 or 60 to disembark - both numbers are a disaster in the race to the CBR taxi queue!

 

[mannej]

With all due respect Medhead, without trying to be blunt, how is it inconsiderate when the person in a window or aisle is not entitled to that spare seat (unless they have purchased one).

Spare seats are nice, but I would rather have the seat next to me taken then recliner, or someone who kicks into the back of your seat for the whole flight.

 

[medhead]

With all due respect Medhead, without trying to be blunt, how is it inconsiderate when the person in a window or aisle is not entitled to that spare seat (unless they have purchased one).

Have you read the thread at all? It is inconsiderate to make those other 2 people uncomfortable when there are plenty of empty seats such that EVERYONE could have an empty middle seat. That's what is being talked about here. What is so hard?

 

[mannej]

Have you read the thread at all? It is inconsiderate to make those other 2 people uncomfortable when there are plenty of empty seats such that EVERYONE could have an empty middle seat. That's what is being talked about here. What is so hard?

Medhead, no need for the hostility, thats not a hard request.

I have read the thread, and I think that if the seat is there, it is fair game. People have their reasons on why they choose certain rows, so be it. It may be disappointing to not get a spare seat, but it is all part of travel.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

I have read the thread, and I think that if the seat is there, it is fair game. People have their reasons on why they choose certain rows, so be it. It may be disappointing to not get a spare seat, but it is all part of travel.

OK, so you want to beat the taxi line in CBR. 60+mins cramped next to 2 FF'ers who clearly dislike you for 'stealing' their spare seat - VS - 15min extra wait in CBR for a cab, and a pleasant flight with spare seats next to everyone. If the 15 minutes is worth that much to you - you should be in business.

I'm all for bronze/nobodys being banned from the first 10 rows in Y.

 

[medhead]

Medhead, no need for the hostility, thats not a hard request.

I have read the thread, and I think that if the seat is there, it is fair game. People have their reasons on why they choose certain rows, so be it. It may be disappointing to not get a spare seat, but it is all part of travel.

Sure the seat is fair game. But this is not about me being disappointed, it is about mentality of people who pick a middle seat when there is an abundance of seats on the flight. You did after all ask why those people are inconsiderate not about being disappointed. When everyone could travel in relative comfort and someone decides to put themself in a middle seat to get off the aircraft 90 seconds sooner at the expense of those around them, they are inconsiderate. Especially when they have to pick up luggage.

As for getting to taxi queues I can get past everyone walking through the terminal. Walk faster.

BTW no hostility, it's exasperation, I've explained this 3 (?) times now.

 

[Robert K]

Sure the seat is fair game. But this is not about me being disappointed, it is about mentality of people who pick a middle seat when there is an abundance of seats on the flight. You did after all ask why those people are inconsiderate not about being disappointed. When everyone could travel in relative comfort and someone decides to put themself in a middle seat to get off the aircraft 90 seconds sooner at the expense of those around them, they are inconsiderate. Especially when they have to pick up luggage.

As for getting to taxi queues I can get past everyone walking through the terminal. Walk faster.

BTW no hostility, it's exasperation, I've explained this 3 (?) times now.

people just want to be close to you

 

[juddles]

Sure the seat is fair game. ...... I can get past everyone walking through the terminal. Walk faster.

.....

I must admit I can get disappointed, but in general I have become resigned to the fact that a spare seat next to me is a bonus, nothing more. You simply can't expect one. If someone taking the middle seat (for possibly very good reasons) is such an inconvenience, perhaps those on the window or aisle could re-select their seat further back to try to ensure a spare seat next to them?

As for walking fast, that is also an excellent point. If the cab rank is so important, perhaps RUNNING is the key? Everyone tends to walk fast off a plane. I find myself doing it out of habit, even if I know I have a boring 4 hr wait til the next flight. But I never see people actually RUNNING. I wonder why that is?

 

[samiam]

If someone taking the middle seat (for possibly very good reasons) is such an inconvenience, perhaps those on the window or aisle could re-select their seat further back to try to ensure a spare seat next to them?

This isn't about convenience- it's about being rude.

It's the person who sits smack bang in front of you in the cinema, when the entire row is empty.

It's the person who double dips their half eaten cracker into the communal tzatziki.

It's the person who leaves skids for the next person.

It's the person who sits in the middle seat as close to the front as possible when there are plenty of spares.

It's the person who could do all of the above in sequence, and not realise it.

 

[juddles]

This isn't about convenience- it's about being rude.

It's the person who sits smack bang in front of you in the cinema, when the entire row is empty.

It's the person who double dips their half eaten cracker into the communal tzatziki.

It's the person who leaves skids for the next person.

It's the person who sits in the middle seat as close to the front as possible when there are plenty of spares.

It's the person who could do all of the above in sequence, and not realise it.

If you are in a cinema and someone sits in front of you, simply forgive them for their ignorance, and move yourself to one of the setas in the "entire row" that is empty.

If someone really needs to be near the front, for whatever their personal reasons, then surely it is just as rude for others to book the aisle and window setas with the expectation that they get a free spare seat next to them? Many people want to be near the front, similarly many want the spare seat. Why not go further back to get your spare seat, and let those who need to be near the front get their wishes too?

 

[mannej]

Asking if I have read the thread, to me that is hostile. You do not need to explain yourself.

I am not disagreeing with you. I just shrug my shoulders when you have some one sit next to you.

 

[Pushka]

Umm how about some numbers. On a 737 there are 60 seats in the first 10 rows of economy. So if you are in the 11th row and the plane is full there are 60 people in front of you to get off. But if the middle seats are empty there are only 40 people in front of you and that is equivalent to being in the 7th row, in terms of time to disembark. Big difference and IMO it is inconsiderate to not think of the comfort of others.

Funny, I get that slip of paper just about every time I fly regardless of how I check in, online, at the post, with a person. :shock: Seriously, though, Qtags are not used to check in they are bag tags. I also assume you mean check in online, rather than book. In any case, you get the bit of paper when you scan your QFF card at boarding even when you check in online.

if you are so keen on that spare seat, maybe you should change your strategy and book the seats at the back?

With regard to people picking seats at the front, when there are seats at the back.

Well, for a start, depending on when you book, if you assume that those seats will stay empty in front of you and so do the 'right' thing according to you, and book seats further down the back, then you could be in for a nasty surprise if those seats are full when you actually board. Why take the risk?

Ok, sure. You check in with your ff card, get the q card scanned, then board and get the slip of paper.

 

[serfty]

Middle seats are despised by those who are generally large of stature.

However, if one was under 175cm and otherwise of smaller than average size then middle seats can be fine.

Back in the 90's when I was 15Kg heavier than I am now, to sit in a middle seat was to encounter significant discomfort. These days I still generally go for an aisle, but will entertain a middle seat should the situation/circumstance appeal to me.

 

[medhead]

If someone taking the middle seat (for possibly very good reasons) is such an inconvenience, perhaps those on the window or aisle could re-select their seat further back to try to ensure a spare seat next to them?

As for walking fast, that is also an excellent point. If the cab rank is so important, perhaps RUNNING is the key? Everyone tends to walk fast off a plane. I find myself doing it out of habit, even if I know I have a boring 4 hr wait til the next flight. But I never see people actually RUNNING. I wonder why that is?

I do select further back when I check how the platinum shadow is going and I see this. People probably don't run because they don't like being shot. Besides it is easy to out pace idiots with wheelie bags when you have carry on luggage, just politely ask them to step to the side on the escalator.

This isn't about convenience- it's about being rude.

It's the person who sits smack bang in front of you in the cinema, when the entire row is empty.

It's the person who double dips their half eaten cracker into the communal tzatziki.

It's the person who leaves skids for the next person.

It's the person who sits in the middle seat as close to the front as possible when there are plenty of spares.

It's the person who could do all of the above in sequence, and not realise it.

Or the window seat who tried to push into the aisle past me yesterday when we were getting off the aircraft. Literally pushed me when there was no room.

Ok, sure. You check in with your ff card, get the q card scanned, then board and get the slip of paper.

It doesn't matter how you check in if you scan your QFF card at the gate you get the slip of paper. I most often use on line check in and I still scan at the gate and get the slip of paper.

 

[LAH]

IMO the best economy seat is one where nobody is next to you, regardless of row...

Infact there must be something to this because in a carpark the exact same thing happends. I park next to a pole well away from other cars but when I return someone has parked next to me despite there being plenty of better spaces. Can anyone explain this logic?

.... or the cinema is empty, you choose your seat and then someone comes and sits beside you! Doesn't even leave one spare seat inbetween!!!!

 

[LAH]

Middle seats are despised by those who are generally large of stature.

However, if one was under 175cm and otherwise of smaller than average size then middle seats can be fine.

Back in the 90's when I was 15Kg heavier than I am now, to sit in a middle seat was to encounter significant discomfort. These days I still generally go for an aisle, but will entertain a middle seat should the situation/circumstance appeal to me.

IMHO middle seats are never fine for long haul and when one is travelling on their own. I am always aware of the people on either side of me, so I don't sleep. I am probably a little too polite, and my things don't spill into my neighbours area, but their things usually certainly spill into mine from both sides. A middle seat is for short trips under sufferance.