Vinomofo Wine Deals

If you are curious about the context in which vinomofo trades then the recent market insights from Wine Australia are interesting: report here

The main takeaways are:
  • wine production in 2022/23 dropped by a lot consistent with accounts that farmers left grapes on the vine because it was not cost effective to harvest them and producers pulled back because the market is a hard one to sell into;
  • the level of consumption was similar to previous year but the value of the wine sold went down about 6%. This could be because people moved down a bracket in price but I reckon reflected that sellers discounted to get buyers. Remember this is happening at a time of high inflation - most things are going up at least 5 to 10% including the input costs for farmers and wine maker, but they can't increase their prices because of ...
  • the wine glut continues especially with red wines. There is the equivalent of about 3 billion bottles of excess wine in storage, basically about 150 bottle per adult in Australia. The glut went down a bit because of big decrease in production this last year but not by enough to make any material dent in it;
  • the transition from red to whites continues at a glacial pace.
What does this mean? More of the same for the next 5 years I think:
  • red wines will have aspirational retail pricing and then realistic sale pricing. White wines will do better in the market just simply because less of a glut and change in taste
  • only a few brands/ labels can be price setters and even then that may be for a period. Once a good review fades with time, you don't want to get caught with too much stock;
  • wineries will focus on their wine clubs. Their have been some amazing deals from some wineries and these will keep on as they seek more sales in a saturated market
  • I've noticed later that a few long standing wineries have worryingly started to disgorge their historic collections of wine (much like a starving person losing fat deposits). Expect to see more aged wines as wineries look desperately for cash and seek to make space for the burgeoning more recent wine overhangs;
  • cool regions will be ok and hot regions will suffer as the latter's grapes are seen as lesser and therefore cheaper so that the margin between costs and sale evaporates or turns negative;
  • vinomofo will continue to exploit the distress of the market and we will continue to get bargains in red wines (not so much white wines);
  • we will see more practices like wine stored in bulk stainless steel for long periods to delay the cost of bottling and then being bottled and marketed as the vintage but with a lack of ageing characteristics - we are already seeing this with some vinomofo sales. Similarly, established brands may use their name as a means to move stock from lesser known brands. Imagine the deals been done on bulk tanks at the moment especially if there are distressed wineries about. If you can buy good bulk wine for next to nothing and then put it out under an established brand as a "special" (for example, on vinomofo) then there is a killing to be made. It's already happening but expect more of it.
 
cool regions will be ok and hot regions will suffer as the latter's grapes are seen as lesser and therefore cheaper so that the margin between costs and sale evaporates or turns negative;
Thanks for sharing but I don't quite agree with this comment as the bulk of what Australia is known for is the warmer full bodied stuff.
 
If you are curious about the context in which vinomofo trades then the recent market insights from Wine Australia are interesting: report here

The main takeaways are:
  • wine production in 2022/23 dropped by a lot consistent with accounts that farmers left grapes on the vine because it was not cost effective to harvest them and producers pulled back because the market is a hard one to sell into;
  • the level of consumption was similar to previous year but the value of the wine sold went down about 6%. This could be because people moved down a bracket in price but I reckon reflected that sellers discounted to get buyers. Remember this is happening at a time of high inflation - most things are going up at least 5 to 10% including the input costs for farmers and wine maker, but they can't increase their prices because of ...
  • the wine glut continues especially with red wines. There is the equivalent of about 3 billion bottles of excess wine in storage, basically about 150 bottle per adult in Australia. The glut went down a bit because of big decrease in production this last year but not by enough to make any material dent in it;
  • the transition from red to whites continues at a glacial pace.
What does this mean? More of the same for the next 5 years I think:
  • red wines will have aspirational retail pricing and then realistic sale pricing. White wines will do better in the market just simply because less of a glut and change in taste
  • only a few brands/ labels can be price setters and even then that may be for a period. Once a good review fades with time, you don't want to get caught with too much stock;
  • wineries will focus on their wine clubs. Their have been some amazing deals from some wineries and these will keep on as they seek more sales in a saturated market
  • I've noticed later that a few long standing wineries have worryingly started to disgorge their historic collections of wine (much like a starving person losing fat deposits). Expect to see more aged wines as wineries look desperately for cash and seek to make space for the burgeoning more recent wine overhangs;
  • cool regions will be ok and hot regions will suffer as the latter's grapes are seen as lesser and therefore cheaper so that the margin between costs and sale evaporates or turns negative;
  • vinomofo will continue to exploit the distress of the market and we will continue to get bargains in red wines (not so much white wines);
  • we will see more practices like wine stored in bulk stainless steel for long periods to delay the cost of bottling and then being bottled and marketed as the vintage but with a lack of ageing characteristics - we are already seeing this with some vinomofo sales. Similarly, established brands may use their name as a means to move stock from lesser known brands. Imagine the deals been done on bulk tanks at the moment especially if there are distressed wineries about. If you can buy good bulk wine for next to nothing and then put it out under an established brand as a "special" (for example, on vinomofo) then there is a killing to be made. It's already happening but expect more of it.
Fanciful stuff.
 
Happy for di
Thanks for sharing but I don't quite agree with this comment as the bulk of what Australia is known for is the warmer full bodied stuff.
happy for disagreement.

My comment about suffering was from the perspective of wine growers. In hotter regions, for example, the Riverina, bulk grapes are grown for the cheaper end of the market normally by selling to large companies. These large companies dictate demand and price and they seem to be cutting back on production a bit but also able to access wines from "better" (read cooler) regions for historically cheaper prices. Hotter regions like this can't charge a premium (when did you last see a wine marketed as a riverina wine?).

I also think there is a lazy view of the Australian market as being over-powered, fruit driven wines, a bit of a legacy from the RP wank from years ago. If you look at where investment is in wineries it is in the cooler regions where lighter wines can be made and are seen as a safer bet for climate change. While the big shiraz, clarets and cabernets will rightly stand tall, I reckon the future of Oz wine will be something lighter.
 
we will see more practices like wine stored in bulk stainless steel for long periods to delay the cost of bottling and then being bottled and marketed as the vintage but with a lack of ageing characteristics - we are already seeing this with some vinomofo sales

Aka Serafino.. the winery has it's own bottling line..the cork in my 2105 S/t looked positively juvenile…who knows.. caveat emptor rules..
 
  • I've noticed later that a few long standing wineries have worryingly started to disgorge their historic collections of wine (much like a starving person losing fat deposits). Expect to see more aged wines as wineries look desperately for cash and seek to make space for the burgeoning more recent wine overhangs;
Why is this worrying? Wine reaches a peak and if it has a track record, may fetch a premium price. If not, it doesn't last forever and what the owners/shareholders can't drink has to be sold. There are some good deals, but with an extensive cellar I don't need any more older wines.

And losing fat deposits is my aspirational goal. 👍
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we will see more practices like wine stored in bulk stainless steel for long periods to delay the cost of bottling and then being bottled and marketed as the vintage but with a lack of ageing characteristics - we are already seeing this with some vinomofo sales

Aka Serafino.. the winery has it's own bottling line..the cork in my 2105 S/t looked positively juvenile…who knows.. caveat emptor rules..
Reschke....
 
Why is this worrying? Wine reaches a peak and if it has a track record, may fetch a premium price. If not, it doesn't last forever and what the owners/shareholders can't drink has to be sold. There are some good deals, but with an extensive cellar I don't need any more older wines.

And losing fat deposits is my aspirational goal. 👍
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Reschke....
Yeah I worry for the winery who incurred the cost of bottling the wine and then laying it down in the expectation of better prices in the future but are now doing a fire sale to stay afloat. But, sunk costs and all that and the quality of my standard weekday wine is at all time high so shouldn't worry too much, though I am getting fatter...
 
What does this mean? More of the same for the next 5 years I think:
  • red wines will have aspirational retail pricing and then realistic sale pricing. White wines will do better in the market just simply because less of a glut and change in taste
  • only a few brands/ labels can be price setters and even then that may be for a period. Once a good review fades with time, you don't want to get caught with too much stock;
  • wineries will focus on their wine clubs. Their have been some amazing deals from some wineries and these will keep on as they seek more sales in a saturated market
  • I've noticed later that a few long standing wineries have worryingly started to disgorge their historic collections of wine (much like a starving person losing fat deposits). Expect to see more aged wines as wineries look desperately for cash and seek to make space for the burgeoning more recent wine overhangs;
  • cool regions will be ok and hot regions will suffer as the latter's grapes are seen as lesser and therefore cheaper so that the margin between costs and sale evaporates or turns negative;
  • vinomofo will continue to exploit the distress of the market and we will continue to get bargains in red wines (not so much white wines);
  • we will see more practices like wine stored in bulk stainless steel for long periods to delay the cost of bottling and then being bottled and marketed as the vintage but with a lack of ageing characteristics - we are already seeing this with some vinomofo sales. Similarly, established brands may use their name as a means to move stock from lesser known brands. Imagine the deals been done on bulk tanks at the moment especially if there are distressed wineries about. If you can buy good bulk wine for next to nothing and then put it out under an established brand as a "special" (for example, on vinomofo) then there is a killing to be made. It's already happening but expect more of it.
Thanks for sharing - good insight.
The China glut is very interesting. We fill a market with cheap plonk. Charge a Premium. Get cut off from the teet. Then stomp about like we never saw it coming.
We are in the middle of a correction. Great wineries will stay strong and some won't make it.
It's unfortunate if you were a winery that depended on that revenue stream, but it's a great time to be an Aus wine lover.
Main Takeaways - Aged, premium SA reds now cost me much less... especially when a discount code is floating about.
The jumping vintages and tank supply of RSR is curious, I'll give you that. But for $20 delivered, it's a no-brainer to feed the philistine in-laws.
 
Is there a discount code?
some in the referral thread which may work for $20 off
 
This is essence is the bug bear when paying a lot more moolah for what you assume will be nectar for the Gods.
Maybe you and I aren't Gods then.
I havent't put much into the 'Fo's staff Christmas party this year but was wondering what people's Number 1 bang for buck Fo wine was.
It certainly won't be the Sharktooth. Should have bought Russell Morris's CD instead or was that Sharkmouth. Dunno. So bring it home.
My choice from not too many Tom Hanks's and that's not rhyming slang was the Rosenvale Vine Vale Rd 202 Sheeraz which I quite liked
for about $15 and a special mention to the Barossan Shotfire 2018 Quartage which was under a tenner I think. Finally one of my all time
faves came back after about a four year exodus of mediocrity. Sure a little bit on the simple side but very moorish.
my woty from VM was the Wood Park Zin.

 
my woty from VM was the Wood Park Zin.

Funny I wasn't very impressed with that one and ended up giving away the 4 remaining bottles.

Mine are starting to date. I remember the Willoughby Park Ironrock Shiraz at a time when Vinomofo were offering $100 to new accounts (and we all created one for the all family ;)) and a Circe Pinot Noir 2016 from Gippsland. If anyone knows where to get more bottles of this beauty at under $20, please let me know!
 
I get that. In my case I fondly remembered how much I enjoyed Voyager CS the very first time I tried it. And went to the winery later and had a great tasting experience. Hence I was bitterly disappointed given how much forward I was looking to sample it. Here is hoping that the Juniper estate from VM will offer a better experience.
Anyone tried the Juniper yet? Hoping it doesn't start another Sharktooth avalanche
 
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some in the referral thread which may work for $20 off
Is there a discount code other than a referral one? I am in need of one.
 

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