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[beefarmer]

I think JH gives an extra 5 points to any Aussie pinot. Like Aussie film critics always have always given an extra star to any Australian film, like some kind of prize just for making an effort at all. Personally I've given up on Australian pinot entirely as being overpriced and underwhelming (though have had some great NZ ones).

I take your point about underwhelming Australian pinots.. Like the Boags ad, there must be something in the water down Tassie way as Tassie pinots have excelled in the past few years. Now, here's food for thought. How many of you have found that the subtle nuances of a pinot, allegedly the most difficult red grape to grow, are markedly influenced by food ? Take your hearty McLaren Vale shiraz and match it with a scotch fillet and fireworks happen. But marry a pinot with a T-bone, and underwhelmed springs to mind. Hey Wozza, you've been sucking down a few nice wines lately, does this kind of make sense? I remember back in March sitting outside with my friend Pete going through two botts of the tomich I-777, neat, no food, thinking how good is this - the flavours and all those pinot adjectives about their characteristics were waxing lyrically and brought on the inevitable second bottle top up. But introduce a bit of food into the equation and the humble, subtle pinot could become a shrinking violet, a batchelorette completely overawed by the muscles of the bachelors. Who out there hasn't experienced wine failure with the wrong bottle coming out second ? But who out there has ballsed up the food component, or rather not envisaged the influence of protein and/or fat on a wine?
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[beefarmer]

Good idea - I don't think any of us take RRPs too seriously here (does anyone think the VM Wolf Blass Grey Label is really worth $45/bottle given you can get it for $30 in any DM?). Not sure why people are hung up on the Mitolo RRP - we all know that just about every wine sells at a 20%+ discount to this. Better to focus on amount paid IMHO

I agree, for a $20 wine its quite good and worth keeping.
Night three for my bottle and it seems to keep improving.

So much for the impulse wine imbibement. Sildenafil doesn't work like that and for those who enjoy it, luckily. just send them back BC.

 

[Alzoam]

Whereas my bottle was very lovely to drink on night 3. Not sure a wine should be "rank" after 48 hours.

I have decided to also give my opinion on the mitolo due to the amount of interest and differing opinions. By some of the comments I actually wonder if we all received the same wine or maybe different barrels???

first of all I enjoy McLaren Vale wines but am very put off by the high alcohol full bodied types, I definitely found that thankfully the mitolo was neither of these. It was medium bodied, smooth and very drinkable. It had a very distinct chocolate overtone which I enjoyed. I decanted mine for about 4 hours, straight pour and not through an aerator. I think it would benefit from medium term collaring ie 3 years to hit it straps but will not improve for a decade. I am definitely keeping mine and for $20 I think it is a good buy. I would not say it is the bargain of the century and definitely would not pay $68 for it, but I also would not pay rrp for any wine and nobody ever does other than at cellar door.

 

[redbigot]

Aksherley I took 3 days to finish mine ( a tad unusual) .

OT but is there a correlation between quality and longevity after opening ?

That's a question that I don't think has ever been examined scientifically, even the related question of cellaring potential rather than quality per se.

From 40 years of empirical evidence, I don't really have a definitive answer, but I personally consider an attractive wine that survives and improves 2-3-4 days after opening is one that scores bonus points for purchase/cellaring.

 

[blackcat20]

So much for the impulse wine imbibement. Sildenafil doesn't work like that and for those who enjoy it, luckily. just send them back BC.

Why would I send back something I like? Just because you have something against this wine and/or Vinomofo doesn't mean the rest of use do too. I enjoyed it night one, I enjoyed it night three. If I want an impulse bottle I'll crack one of the 250+ bottles I have lying around.

 

[beefarmer]

Good idea - I don't think any of us take RRPs too seriously here (does anyone think the VM Wolf Blass Grey Label is really worth $45/bottle given you can get it for $30 in any DM?). Not sure why people are hung up on the Mitolo RRP - we all know that just about every wine sells at a 20%+ discount to this. Better to focus on amount paid IMHO

OK, so the Mitolo is a significantly better wine on night two. I left the bottle open for 24 hours. The fruit is more forward and it still has some of the pepperiness and the length of the first night. It comes together to be a very pleasant, medium bodied wine, certainly worth the $20ish a bottle.

I know there has been some conjecture about the validity of RRP, but it is my view that all wines need to be judged against this, as well as what they can potentially be discounted to. Using my example of Seppelt St Peters, its RRP is about $80 these days, but discounted you will be very lucky to see it below $55 at any time. If Mitolo are, by the supposed RRP of $68, trying to say that this wine is in that sort of league, they are absolutely kidding themselves.

Weeeell maybe a little poetic licence snuck into my post...:mrgreen:

I love a bit of poetry, but it's hard to rhyme up Mitolo. So put all the reviews to one side, I am going to write this solo. If you like the wine and really that's all that matters, now that geelong have got Dangerfield, go the Catters. You are right BC to keep what you like, you nicely told me to get on my bike. No I don't barrack for those boys coached by a Scott, but I should end this now and pull out a bot. While we are on the subject of price, the Grange, six hundred, get real.

 

[redbigot]

I know there has been some conjecture about the validity of RRP, but it is my view that all wines need to be judged against this, as well as what they can potentially be discounted to. Using my example of Seppelt St Peters, its RRP is about $80 these days, but discounted you will be very lucky to see it below $55 at any time. If Mitolo are, by the supposed RRP of $68, trying to say that this wine is in that sort of league, they are absolutely kidding themselves.

This is relevant, the Mitolo web site positions this between GAM and Savitar. I don't think even those that like it would agree with that claim.

BTW, VinoMofo bought the whole quantity of this, it was never actually offered for sale by Mitolo.

 

[blackcat20]

This is relevant, the Mitolo web site positions this between GAM and Savitar. I don't think even those that like it would agree with that claim.

BTW, VinoMofo bought the whole quantity of this, it was never actually offered for sale by Mitolo.

So where do they stand legally if they've never offered it for sale at the rrp...

 

[liparj]

This is relevant, the Mitolo web site positions this between GAM and Savitar. I don't think even those that like it would agree with that claim.

BTW, VinoMofo bought the whole quantity of this, it was never actually offered for sale by Mitolo.

Perhaps better positioned between the Jester and GAM??

 

[redbigot]

So where do they stand legally if they've never offered it for sale at the rrp...

From their sales and marketing Manager:
"On our website there are some good details about this small batch (Mitolo Wines - Products - Cantiniere Shiraz).
It hasn’t been sent to media, as we showed this select parcel to Vinomofo and they scooped it then and there."

 

[Delectable Blue]

Tonights wine – Belgravia 2012 “The Belgravia” Cabernet Sauvignon (Orange)

Purchased as part of the recent BoomBox mixed dozen.

I found this wine very challenging to evaluate. It is an example of a more austere Cabernet style (cool climate?) that I’m as yet not overly familiar with.

An elegant Cabernet with a strong blackcurrant and herbal bouquet with a hint of mint and some volatile mineralality showing through.

Medium bodied. Some fruit sweetness on the front of the palette quickly giving way to slightly bitter and grippy tannins, with an astringent stemmy finish. Layers of blackcurrant and dark chocolate lead to a spicy acidity predominating over any residual sweetness. There is good complexity and length to the finish, but I find myself fighting that astringency. The wine tasted much more balanced with food than without, but needed plenty of breathing time to properly open up.

There are no obvious faults in the wine, although it is not a style that immediately endears itself to me. I found the wine more enjoyable the longer I had to come to terms with its complexity. It would probably cellar very well, but I don’t know that it would find a place in my limited cellar space.

 

[Coley]

I believe tonight's restocked 2013 Shiraz is the Hewitson The Mother Vine.

https://vinomofo.com/wines/red-wine/mof_-secret-deal-shiraz-2013-20cd545b

 

[Wozza]

I take your point about underwhelming Australian pinots.. Like the Boags ad, there must be something in the water down Tassie way as Tassie pinots have excelled in the past few years. Now, here's food for thought. How many of you have found that the subtle nuances of a pinot, allegedly the most difficult red grape to grow, are markedly influenced by food ? Take your hearty McLaren Vale shiraz and match it with a scotch fillet and fireworks happen. But marry a pinot with a T-bone, and underwhelmed springs to mind. Hey Wozza, you've been sucking down a few nice wines lately, does this kind of make sense? I remember back in March sitting outside with my friend Pete going through two botts of the tomich I-777, neat, no food, thinking how good is this - the flavours and all those pinot adjectives about their characteristics were waxing lyrically and brought on the inevitable second bottle top up. But introduce a bit of food into the equation and the humble, subtle pinot could become a shrinking violet, a batchelorette completely overawed by the muscles of the bachelors. Who out there hasn't experienced wine failure with the wrong bottle coming out second ? But who out there has ballsed up the food component, or rather not envisaged the influence of protein and/or fat on a wine?
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I totally agree Beefarmer - you can ruin a good wine if you are drinking it with the wrong food. I do it often, and know instantly when I do, as my wine becomes all chemically or one of the taste constituents takes on a prominence the maker never intended. That's why I love going for one of those posh meals with the matching wine packages - wine and food complimenting or enhancing one another is a great human experience.

I humbly admit I regularly stuff up the food pairing with Pinot Noirs. If you have never had the wine before, sometimes it's hard to predict where it will come on the vast Pinot Noir taste range. I will often leave the wine finish my meal, have a few glasses of water and then head back to the bottle. Sometimes I leave it until the next day instead.

 

[tgh]

This thread is going well and truly off topic...

Bloody entertaining though..


My mate is happy to drink anything red, and commented that the grange was pretty ordinary…….

 

[JessicaTam]

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[beefarmer]

I totally agree Beefarmer - you can ruin a good wine if you are drinking it with the wrong food. I do it often, and know instantly when I do, as my wine becomes all chemically or one of the taste constituents takes on a prominence the maker never intended. That's why I love going for one of those posh meals with the matching wine packages - wine and food complimenting or enhancing one another is a great human experience.

I humbly admit I regularly stuff up the food pairing with Pinot Noirs. If you have never had the wine before, sometimes it's hard to predict where it will come on the vast Pinot Noir taste range. I will often leave the wine finish my meal, have a few glasses of water and then head back to the bottle. Sometimes I leave it until the next day instead.

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You are correct Jessica and if I had your job, I don't think I could handle it.....i agree totally but the it's been very quiet for a while, nothing doing, time to put a bit of spice into it all, go Iggy, so I thought I would enliven the posse..it didn't work did it.now for a recent vinomofo offering, the Elmswood Estate 2010 Cabernet MERLOT. Stunning wine....9/10.
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[Glider_]

Reading past posts about the Mother Vine it looks well liked by AFFers, I'm tempted but I usually go for the likes of the Glenlofty and Amelia Park at bargain basement prices.
I received a bottle of the Hewitson Ned & Henry's shiraz in a salvation case and I loved it and I see that the Mother Vine is about twice the price of the Ned & Henry. Did we ever see a VM re-stock of their Ned & Henry?

 

[beefarmer]

I was drivin down past the Helen and Joeys turnoff this arvo, after a good lunch at Rochford. Didn't drop in but finished with a layla...I like it, but it doesn't like food. as I said, food does alter the state.

 

[beefarmer]

Reading past posts about the Mother Vine it looks well liked by AFFers, I'm tempted but I usually go for the likes of the Glenlofty and Amelia Park at bargain basement prices.
I received a bottle of the Hewitson Ned & Henry's shiraz in a salvation case and I loved it and I see that the Mother Vine is about twice the price of the Ned & Henry. Did we ever see a VM re-stock of their Ned & Henry?

if you pick the wine that's a twenty dollar wine and good, you will enjoy it more that a tenner wine...but getting the one is the key.

 

[Wozza]

So where do they stand legally if they've never offered it for sale at the rrp...

This is not my area of professional expertise, but a quick Google of 'laws on RRP' popped up with a Government Consumer website saying the following:


If you compare prices in your advertising to attract customers with possible savings, make sure you aren't misleading them.
For example, if you're having a sale, you might compare the sale price of your product or service to:

• the previous higher price
• a competitor's price
• the recommended retail price (RRP).

You may be misleading your customers if:

• your product or service was not sold at the previous higher price for a 'reasonable period' before your sale
• you compare your price to the price of a competitor who is in a different area or country
• the product or service on sale has never been sold at the RRP.

What's considered a 'reasonable period' will vary in each case. But if you can't show sales at the previous higher price, then it's likely you're misleading your customers.
Avoid breaching the law

When you make statements about prices, including in your advertisements and when talking to your customers, take the time to get it right.
It's illegal to make false or misleading statements about the price of products or services.

That looks pretty clear to me. Putting the wine to one side - to my mind, I am personally comfortable with the taste experience and $20 odd price paid. BUT ...

I truly hope the RRP was not made up to generate the headline discount, and there was a [genuine and] reasonable period when the Cantiniere was offered for sale at its RRP (it was my guess that the delay to shipment was to do this, but that's a pure guess, although I didn't see any of us spot it up for sale with Mitolo or elsewhere).

Although I am not the sort of person to be outraged by a misguided [how do you put it ...], I would start to see the Fo in a very different light and would probably place my hard earned wine purchases elsewhere if this was a regular occurrence, whatever the fantastic offerings I would miss out on.

Has anybody formally written to the Fo seeking an explanation on the Cantiniere? I am curious. The brokers play the ignorant card when you plug them for info on this wine.