Vinomofo Wine Deals

[Dr Ralph]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

Quick question. I'm reorganising my stash/ cellar of Vinomofo procured wines. Is it OK to stack the cardboard cases on their sides so the bottles can be more easily accessed? Boxes of dozens stacked about 6 high? Only ask as the boxes have 'this way up' directions, but maybe that is just for delivery? Cheers and happy holidays to all!

Should be fine. But I recommend periodically checking your cardboard. It does degrade over time.

 

[redbigot]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

Quick question. I'm reorganising my stash/ cellar of Vinomofo procured wines. Is it OK to stack the cardboard cases on their sides so the bottles can be more easily accessed? Boxes of dozens stacked about 6 high? Only ask as the boxes have 'this way up' directions, but maybe that is just for delivery? Cheers and happy holidays to all!

It depends a bit on the strength of the cardboard boxes and the shape of the bottles. Some boxes for cheaper wines are a bit flimsy and may not even have internal dividers.
Boxes containing Burgundy/chardonnay/slope-shoulder bottles have less strength at the top (front when on side) and placing other boxes on top may tend to crush and the pile lean.
Depending on the humidity, cardboard may lose strength at higher humidity.

Also, as you open the boxes and remove bottles, the strength/integrity of the stack is reduced.

Stelvin-sealed wines can be stored upright, cork-sealed wines are best stored on their sides. The "this way up" direction is mostly for structural integrity of the box/contents when stacked during shipping.

If you have the room, buy some cheap metal framed shelving from Bunnings, Supercheap Auto etc. and stack the boxes on that.

I personally wouldn't stack boxes on their side more than 3 high.

My cellar consists of mostly secondhand office bookshelves of various sizes and shapes with bottle stacked on bottle in bins, now some of them now converted to upright storage of stelvin-sealed bottles.
http://redbigot.info/Cellar/cellar1.html

I've only broken two bottles in 15+ years removing them from the middle of the stacked bins, but slope shouldered bottles stay in boxes, stand upright or top row only.

 

[Flyinfish]

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Thanks so much everyone for the replies. I ended up stacking 3.5 high (half dozens on top), with bottom cases sturdy unopened cases. I had thought of the consequences of removing bottles from the stack, and think I will keep a few empty bottles on hand and replace with empties. Shelves would be nice, but the space is an irregularly shaped walk in wardrobe, so I doubt I'll find shelves to fit. It's a bit of a squeeze getting to my wines, but happy with my arrangement which is more orderly than it was .

 

[roshea]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

Shelves would be nice, but the space is an irregularly shaped walk in wardrobe, so I doubt I'll find shelves to fit.

Something I used in a former space was bricks (arranged in whatever direction gives the correct height) and timber shelves (get them cut to length at the hardware store), just so the boxes weren't directly stacked on top of each other.

 

[Delectable Blue]

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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Bordeaux Lineup 2.0?

https://vinomofo.com/wines/mixed-case/bordeaux-line-up-2-0-79f619c8

I don't have a lot of experience with French red wines, so I'm wondering if this is reasonable point to start building some experience. Any other starting recommendations would also be gratefully received.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Bordeaux Lineup 2.0?

https://vinomofo.com/wines/mixed-case/bordeaux-line-up-2-0-79f619c8

I don't have a lot of experience with French red wines, so I'm wondering if this is reasonable point to start building some experience. Any other starting recommendations would also be gratefully received.

Without further investigation of the specific bottles/vintages in the box, I would say 'no'.

You may need to qualify what you mean by not "a lot of experience". I'll assume very little to be on safe ground, and apologies in advance if I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs.

Bordeaux is typically Cabernet Sauvignon/Merlot (with Cabernet Franc/Petit Verdot) - the dominant grape changing depending on whether it's left bank or right. If you're not even sure you like this type of blend, try Yeringberg or Petaluma Coonawarra (in the $40-50 bracket) for an excellent introduction or Cullen Diana Madeline for a more expensive version. All are excellent examples of Bordeaux style blends with ample availability here in Aus.

Other major regions in France like Burgundy (Pinot for reds in the north, through to Gamay in Beaujolais in the south) or Rhone (Shiraz blends in the north, GSMs in south in Chateauneuf du pape) have their own varietal strengths and rules.

Probably best to explain what you like to drink, and then someone can point you to where you should start.

 

[Delectable Blue]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

You may need to qualify what you mean by not "a lot of experience". I'll assume very little to be on safe ground, and apologies in advance if I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs.

Bordeaux is typically Cabernet Sauvignon/Merlot (with Cabernet Franc/Petit Verdot).

Thanks AnonymousCoward, yes I'm very familiar with the Bordeaux style, at least those from Australia, having drunk many of them over the last 30+ years. It is probably my favourite red wine blended style. However I have never drunk a Bordeaux from Bordeaux. In fact I've only ever had one bottle of red wine from France. I can't recall it's name, but it was a Pinot Noir, and it was unlike any Pinot I have ever had from Australia or New Zeland, presumably due to differences in Terroir or winemaking technique. So I am keen to try some Bordeaux from France, to find out how they differ from the Australian style of the wine. I'm wondering if these wines are typical examples of the Bordeaux style and if they represent a good starting point for exploring French Bordeaux.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

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On my phone so it'd a bit hard to research, but doing a few quick google searches, I wouldn't buy this pack e.g. the Chateau pey de Faure they lead off with doesn't appear to belong to an AOC, let alone be graded as one of that appelation's superior wines. From what I can see it's just 'vin de Bordeaux'. The Fronsac is, likewise not a superior graded wine and WineSearcher seems to put it's price history around the US$8-15 mark.
I suspect you are probably getting what you pay for @$15/bottle. But I guess you also can't go wrong for that price. Just don't have high expectations.

I'd be more inclined to find out what the 2nd/3rd/4th tier wines are called in the appellation you're interested in (e.g. -villages or 1st cru or whatever) and target a few of those bottles. Part of the problem in France is that even when wine might come from a well known commune or vineyard, different growers may own different parts of it leading to different wines being produced.

Edit definitely look on Vivino/Cellartracker to get an idea of what you're in for

 

[Daver6]

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I tend to agree. I've not heard of most of those producers and based on the RRP price point, I doubt they are really going to be reflective of what good Bordeaux is.

I think a much better way to find out about a new region is to go into a decent bottle shop and have a chat to someone in the know. They should be able to recommend some wines in the price bracket you want. I think its far to easy to buy some random wines that turn out to be average and then you write-off a wine region because of those.

 

[Tock]

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Slightly different wine topic. Has anyone tried or have thoughts the the Helen & Joey Alenas (Cab Merlot & Cab Sauv) that VM have put up?
$22.50 a bottle, DM will do $35. JH seems to like them both - 96 points.

 

[Delectable Blue]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

Slightly different wine topic. Has anyone tried or have thoughts the the Helen & Joey Alenas (Cab Merlot & Cab Sauv) that VM have put up?
$22.50 a bottle, DM will do $35. JH seems to like them both - 96 points.

I have ordered some of the Cab Merlot, but I haven't had the opportunity to taste it yet. Hopefully it will arrive later in the week. I was very impressed with the Helen and Joey Pinot Noir I had recently, so thought I'd take a punt on the Cab Merlot.

 

[Delectable Blue]

Re: Vinomofo secret wine deals

I think a much better way to find out about a new region is to go into a decent bottle shop and have a chat to someone in the know. They should be able to recommend some wines in the price bracket you want. I think its far to easy to buy some random wines that turn out to be average and then you write-off a wine region because of those.

Sadly that isn't a very viable option for me. I live about 2 hours away from a bottle shop that is likely to stock any decent french wine, otherwise I would probably would have tasted it by now. Also, I don't travel very well anymore, so unless I can order some in I'm unlikely to have the opportunity in the near future.

 

[Big Bad Burley]

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Anyone had the Pertaringa by Geoff Hardy 2015 Riesling? I think that is the re-stocked black market deal back up today. I am looking for some more white for the summer months but can't find much info on this wine, although I have enjoyed most of the stuff bearing Geoff Hardy's name in the past.

 

[Mrbotrytis]

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Pertaringa by Geoff Hardy 2015 Riesling

Admel says it's a good drop http://www.australianfrequentflyer....inomofo-wine-deals-53217-669.html#post1351070

I checked their website and it doesn't say which part of Clare it is from which matters for me.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Wow that's how many multiples from $42.
Is it a harbinger of "crash" to come as in previous tech crash.
Every tom, dick and harry into wines that sell for astronomical sums.

Just resurrecting this old post - someone paid $400/bottle (!!) + buyer's premium for Serrat Close Planted Shiraz Viognier 2014 back in August. That's even more multiples than $160...

I was kicking myself when I missed the Epiqure offer at RRP on the day after the award announcement and thinking the ~$60 at VM to be a borderline purchase at a 50% premium. But it seems others are willing to pay a lot more:
https://www.langtons.com.au/news/langtons-market-update-july-august-2015

 

[jasonking]

Just resurrecting this old post - someone paid $400/bottle (!!) + buyer's premium for Serrat Close Planted Shiraz Viognier 2014 back in August. That's even more multiples than $160...

I was kicking myself when I missed the Epiqure offer at RRP on the day after the award announcement and thinking the ~$60 at VM to be a borderline purchase at a 50% premium. But it seems others are willing to pay a lot more:
https://www.langtons.com.au/news/langtons-market-update-july-august-2015

Tsunami is forming.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Tsunami is forming.

I'd hardly conclude from one sale that "every Tom, Dick and Harry into wines that sell for astronomical sums". You can see that the vast bulk of sales are in the $140-160 range. That's no more expensive than RWT or similar, and if it's really that good, then probably still decent value compared to other $150/bottle wines.

I'd say, based on this thread and OzBargain etc. that there are /far/ more buyers looking to pay $10/bottle for good wine, than looking to pay $400/bottle for good wine. Read in WineEstate's latest issue that 85% of grapes were produced at a loss in Australia (led by the mass-market dross produced in Riverina/Riverland) last year. If anything, there'll be a crash in the grape growing business, as there's far too much stuff being produced, and sold at consequently (too) low prices.

 

[penegal]

Just resurrecting this old post - someone paid $400/bottle (!!) + buyer's premium for Serrat Close Planted Shiraz Viognier 2014 back in August. That's even more multiples than $160...

I was kicking myself when I missed the Epiqure offer at RRP on the day after the award announcement and thinking the ~$60 at VM to be a borderline purchase at a 50% premium. But it seems others are willing to pay a lot more:
https://www.langtons.com.au/news/langtons-market-update-july-august-2015

That is crazy. Especially for a wine you want to put away for quite a few years.

I hazard to think we may have "missed the boat" on Serrat. Given their tiny production surely they must increase prices or introduce some limited allocation system for next year's release.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

I hazard to think we may have "missed the boat" on Serrat. Given their tiny production surely they must increase prices or introduce some limited allocation system for next year's release.

For next year - probably. But beyond that I guess it'll depend on whether they can sustain the stratospheric scores. They've always scored well: 2013 - 96, 2010 - 95, 2008 - 96 without a huge rush for their product. If they return to those sorts of scores, I guess prices won't rise dramatically.

 

[penegal]

For next year - probably. But beyond that I guess it'll depend on whether they can sustain the stratospheric scores. They've always scored well: 2013 - 96, 2010 - 95, 2008 - 96 without a huge rush for their product. If they return to those sorts of scores, I guess prices won't rise dramatically.

This is true - It could just be the "flavour of the moment" kind of hype.