Virgin Australia A320's?

[markis10]

The two A320s are on lease from Avation. Depends what's left on the lease - could be a few years in it!

(FWIW, the first A320 was leased at USD190,000 per month!)

The second one is a four year lease and they are looking at adding an additional 2.

 

[Fruitcake]

(FWIW, the first A320 was leased at USD190,000 per month!)

Thanks oz_mark. Do you have any idea of leasing costs for a 73H, or a new build A320?

 

[day-heg]

...that A320 can be parked in the corner for a couple months without costing too much.

(FWIW, the first A320 was leased at USD190,000 per month!)

US$190k may not be a lot in aviation terms, but it still feels like a big number!!

 

[oz_mark]

Thanks oz_mark. Do you have any idea of leasing costs for a 73H, or a new build A320?

Don't really know - The Avation leases were outlined in their prospectus ( http://www.avation.net/files/AVAP_Prospectus.PDF page 24)

Maybe the Thomas Cook ones were new?

 

[markis10]

Don't really know - The Avation leases were outlined in their prospectus ( http://www.avation.net/files/AVAP_Prospectus.PDF page 24)

Maybe the Thomas Cook ones were new?

They paid US7.8M for FNP!

 

[Fruitcake]

Maybe the Thomas Cook ones were new?

Interesting resource! Some Googling shows that the Thomas Cook A320s listed there are both ~10 years old. They command $375k/mo, in comparison to $190k/mo for Skywest's ~20 year old A320.

If you are going to lease a young aircraft that implies you need a fair bit of work for it to do.

 

[markis10]

Interesting resource! Some Googling shows that the Thomas Cook A320s listed there are both ~10 years old. They command $375k/mo, in comparison to $190k/mo for Skywest's ~20 year old A320.

If you are going to lease a young aircraft that implies you need a fair bit of work for it to do.

The Thomas Cook birds are A321s with 220 seats.

 

[Fruitcake]

The Thomas Cook birds are A321s with 220 seats.

Oops. Back to the drawing board on that one.

...or do a bodgy and estimate leasing costs per seat .

 

[oz_mark]

Oops. Back to the drawing board on that one.

...or do a bodgy and estimate leasing costs per seat .

Actual numbers are hard to come by - just have to work on whatever figures you can get hold of! Hopefully, it does give an order of magnitude though!

 

[markis10]

Oops. Back to the drawing board on that one.

...or do a bodgy and estimate leasing costs per seat .

Here is a guide published late last year, costs oldest to newest for purchase vs lease

A319 – $12.0-34.4M, $120-260,000
A320 – $4.0 - 40.5M, $65-300,000
A321 – $20.0 - 48.5M, $180-365,000
A330-200 – $40.0 - 88.5M, $400-830,000
A340-300 – $8.0 -55.0M, $180-490,000
B737-700 - $13.0 - 36.0M, $140-290,000
B737-800 - $17.0 - 44.5M, $190-350,000
B747-400 – $12.0 – 50.0M, $220-550,000
B767-300ER – $10.0 – 61.5M, $170-460,000
B777-200ER – $43.0 – 118.0M, $450-950,000
B777-300ER – $93.0 – 158.0M, $850-1,400,000
Q400 – $10.0 – 19.5M, $120-220,000
EMB190 – $20.7 – 32.6M, $195-285,000
ATR-72 – $6.8 – 18.1M, $85-180,000



Source - for A320 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5604335

 

[eastwest101]

Here is a guide published late last year, costs oldest to newest for purchase vs lease


A320 – $4.0 - 40.5M, $65-300,000
A321 – $20.0 - 48.5M, $180-365,000
A330-200 – $40.0 - 88.5M, $400-830,000
A340-300 – $8.0 -55.0M, $180-490,000
B737-700 - $13.0 - 36.0M, $140-290,000
B737-800 - $17.0 - 44.5M, $190-350,000
B747-400 – $12.0 – 50.0M, $220-550,000
B767-300ER – $10.0 – 61.5M, $170-460,000
B777-200ER – $43.0 – 118.0M, $450-950,000
B777-300ER – $93.0 – 158.0M, $850-1,400,000
Q400 – $10.0 – 19.5M, $120-220,000
EMB190 – $20.7 – 32.6M, $195-285,000
ATR-72 – $6.8 – 18.1M, $85-180,000

Hi markis10 - just to clarify that the first values listed are outright ownership costs (ie buying the equipment outright at market vale) and the second figures are approx leasing costs per month? Correct?

 

[markis10]

Hi markis10 - just to clarify that the first values listed are outright ownership costs (ie buying the equipment outright at market vale) and the second figures are approx leasing costs per month? Correct?

Yes, correct. I am surprised the A340 is still worth that much!

 

[Fruitcake]

The 777-300ER figures are impressive!

 

[bPeteb]

Picking up an old thread, and something possibly already commented on elsewhere, but I notice the plane on the ads in the paper about changes to Velocity is also an A320. A sign of changes ahead for their predominately Boeing fleet?

 

[777]

Picking up an old thread, and something possibly already commented on elsewhere, but I notice the plane on the ads in the paper about changes to Velocity is also an A320. A sign of changes ahead for their predominately Boeing fleet?

No. They have a whole stack of 737MAX's on order.

A sign of a lazy graphic design/ marketing team more likely.

 

[TomVexille]

No. They have a whole stack of 737MAX's on order.

A sign of a lazy graphic design/ marketing team more likely.

Or ignorant

 

[notzac]

Picking up an old thread, and something possibly already commented on elsewhere, but I notice the plane on the ads in the paper about changes to Velocity is also an A320. A sign of changes ahead for their predominately Boeing fleet?

VA have two A320s in the fleet, via the SkyWest acquisition:

The Virgin Australia fleet | Virgin Australia

 

[dougieboy]

VA have two A320s in the fleet, via the SkyWest acquisition: ...

Well that one quietly slipped past the goalposts! Never even knew, that's what I love about this forum. From aircraft pricing to aircraft fleets, yields and creative accounting to next generation seating I'm always being informed and entertained.