What cheeses me off

[drron]

The green-controlled Hobart City Council love the 'enviro-scooters', so they are here to stay. Notwithstanding the damage they cause. When I was briefly in Emergency last year, two others were admitted with scooter-caused injuries - one a horribly smashed leg.

Surely the scooters that you have to pedal must be more environmentally friendly. And better for the person’s health as well as other pedestrians.

 

[Hvr]

Has anyone measured a horse's height lately?
How many HANDS is that?

I'll drag the chain and see if I can fathom a guess

 

[Pushka]

Surely the scooters that you have to pedal must be more environmentally friendly. And better for the person’s health as well as other pedestrians.

But so not cool.

 

[anat0l]

The green-controlled Hobart City Council love the 'enviro-scooters', so they are here to stay. Notwithstanding the damage they cause. When I was briefly in Emergency last year, two others were admitted with scooter-caused injuries - one a horribly smashed leg.

File under "ideas that would be good if people followed the rules". Basically same with bikes (including hire bikes).

Two idiots cause an accident and everyone wants to ban scooters (not just the idiots who caused the accident). A hit and run driver (of a car) would be unlucky to have their car or licence confiscated from them (reminder: lack of a licence does not actually stop someone from driving a car).

We have poor regulations to punish those who are idiots on non-car vehicles. We also have a population that largely can't be trusted to do the right thing.

And that's just accidents, let alone the examples shown above where those gits wouldn't know the word "responsible" if it hit them in the face.

It's actually sad that we largely can't trust society more than all those initiatives are per se bad ideas.

Surely the scooters that you have to pedal must be more environmentally friendly. And better for the person’s health as well as other pedestrians.

In the guise of replacing cars as the mode of transport, even electric scooters are environmentally friendlier than the car. Of course, agreed that a manual scooter would be even better, but people need to be incentivised somehow.

 

[RooFlyer]

Two idiots cause an accident and everyone wants to ban scooters (not just the idiots who caused the accident). A hit and run driver (of a car) would be unlucky to have their car or licence confiscated from them (reminder: lack of a licence does not actually stop someone from driving a car).

Its been a LOT more than two!! That was just the afternoon I was in ED. Early on, there were the inevitable accidents where some was fanging down the footpath on an e-scooter and cleaned up someone walking out of a shop. Naturally many complaints to Council. Their response "Well, its a trial - a trial is there to learn these lessons ..."

And I guess an argument might be - yes, cars cause accidents, so why are we introducing yet another way for people to get injured? I mean, driving on the footpath at +20km/h, weaving in and out of pedestrians is bound to get someone hurt. But we down down to the Green Gods.

Yes, given that people are careless and idiots - why give them another avenue to demonstrate the fact.?

even electric scooters are environmentally friendlier than the car.

Depends on where the electricity comes from. I still recall Victorian Premier Joan Kirner espousing the green credentials of an electric car - oblivious to the fact that Victorian electricity was largely generated from brown coal - one of the dirtiest energy sources out there.

 

[p--and--t]

Measuring stuff was a major part of my life, I am (or was…) ambidextrous .
Imperial and metric were juxtaposed somewhat indiscriminately across the industry for a long time ; even today lots of Imperial in the mix.. Drill sizes, Thread measurements, the list goes on

Yep. I started school in '72 and it was metric then.

'63 for me, so I'm a cusper. Was taught both and can work with both

5280, 1768, 16 etc.

6' ... 183cm

In 1992, when youngest daughter was born and weighed, the midwife read out 4.6kg ... I immediately said a bit over ten pounds, she looked shocked.

So many youngsters in this forum

 

[anat0l]

Yes, given that people are careless and idiots - why give them another avenue to demonstrate the fact.?

Well, because some things are at least worth trying.

Now, I get it. There's plenty that will say they knew this was a bad idea right from the start. Heck, you could even quote other places in Australia or around the world, and will probably come up with suitable evidence.

But if we took that approach to everything, would nothing be worth trying for fear of hurting or maiming someone?

Now I'm not saying we throw caution away and completely ignore risk.

After all, we could take what you have said to an extreme point of view, such as banning alcohol or raise the drinking age, because drunkenness has lead to so many crimes and it seems to be monopolised by the youth - why give the young the chance to be an idiot only to plead in front of a judge that they were mentally incapacitated? (I realise this is facetious but you get the point)

In the above case, someone who weaves in and out of pedestrian traffic is an idiot, as is the councillor who gave that response you quoted above. If you wouldn't run through bowling and bashing through a crowd of people on foot because they're in your way, why would you do it with a scooter; in fact, what gives you any more right to do so with a scooter?

Depends on where the electricity comes from. I still recall Victorian Premier Joan Kirner espousing the green credentials of an electric car - oblivious to the fact that Victorian electricity was largely generated from brown coal - one of the dirtiest energy sources out there.

I hear this a lot.

I would postulate that over the life cycle of both vehicles, even taking into consideration the "not so green" source of electricity, there would be less environmental impacts overall for the electric car versus the petroleum car. And there are other considerations with this, e.g. lithium batteries, EVs being nominally heavier than ICEVs, disposal of both types of vehicles, the effect of increasing ethanol content in petroleum, etc.

Anyone would be naive (and yes, I know they are out there) to claim electric vehicles are completely "green" with zero impact on the environment. The argument is that they should have less (hopefully markedly less) impact, which - economics aside - is the goal. Unfortunately, the media and those that feed it were never good at explaining the detail behind the headlines, to the detriment of both sides.

 

[tgh]

WE had a v e r y nice lunch at Popolo @ Southbank on sunday and also had along city cat ride to get there.
Brisvegas has lots of walkways/bikeways ; there were many scooters, many bikes , many families and many kids.
My perception was that everyone was fitting in and making it work….

 

[RooFlyer]

In the above case, someone who weaves in and out of pedestrian traffic is an idiot, as is the councillor who gave that response you quoted above. If you wouldn't run through bowling and bashing through a crowd of people on foot because they're in your way, why would you do it with a scooter; in fact, what gives you any more right to do so with a scooter?

In this case, as it happens, the Hobart City Council

Obviously I loath this phenomenon - its dangerous to rider and pedestrians, the scooters are left in dangerous and obstructive spots and so on. As you observe, they are not alone in that regard. But my argument is - there was no imperative to introduce this new source of trouble. People used to walk these short distances. Its healthier too.

Tourists are the worst. Don't know the area they are travelling in, don't know about the cobblestones they are about to hit; looking at the views etc.

BUT if we had to have them, why the hell didn't the HCC observe what had happened in other jurisdictions wrt speed restrictions (GPS enforced), 'no ride' (ie heavily pedestrianised or poor visibility areas) and mandate the restrictions from the start. It was just an open slather 'trial' for a year because, you know, we need 'green solutions'.

Apols for the rant - I think they are just an unnecessary abomination.

I would postulate that over the life cycle of both vehicles, even taking into consideration the "not so green" source of electricity, there would be less environmental impacts overall for the electric car versus the petroleum car. And there are other considerations with this, e.g. lithium batteries, EVs being nominally heavier than ICEVs, disposal of both types of vehicles, the effect of increasing ethanol content in petroleum, etc.

Anyone would be naive (and yes, I know they are out there) to claim electric vehicles are completely "green" with zero impact on the environment. The argument is that they should have less (hopefully markedly less) impact, which - economics aside - is the goal. Unfortunately, the media and those that feed it were never good at explaining the detail behind the headlines, to the detriment of both sides.

I appreciate the balance in the comments.
The environmental impacts of renewable energy isn't been given much exposure, as that would be green heresy. But the by-products of mining, the by products of manufacture, the e-waste disposal issues are all there. Anyone interested should read up on the disposal in landfill of solar panels, and the toxic waste they contain.

Sure, overall lesser impact on the environment - we think. Tesla cars are zero emissions, but their factories aren't - and also have been sued by the EPA for toxic & cancer-causing emissions.

I'll be hanging on to my copper, lithium and REE mining shares, though.

 

[prozac]

In this case, as it happens, the Hobart City Council

Obviously I loath this phenomenon - its dangerous to rider and pedestrians, the scooters are left in dangerous and obstructive spots and so on. As you observe, they are not alone in that regard. But my argument is - there was no imperative to introduce this new source of trouble. People used to walk these short distances. Its healthier too.

Tourists are the worst. Don't know the area they are travelling in, don't know about the cobblestones they are about to hit; looking at the views etc.

BUT if we had to have them, why the hell didn't the HCC observe what had happened in other jurisdictions wrt speed restrictions (GPS enforced), 'no ride' (ie heavily pedestrianised or poor visibility areas) and mandate the restrictions from the start. It was just an open slather 'trial' for a year because, you know, we need 'green solutions'.

Apols for the rant - I think they are just an unnecessary abomination.



I appreciate the balance in the comments.
The environmental impacts of renewable energy isn't been given much exposure, as that would be green heresy. But the by-products of mining, the by products of manufacture, the e-waste disposal issues are all there. Anyone interested should read up on the disposal in landfill of solar panels, and the toxic waste they contain.

Sure, overall lesser impact on the environment - we think. Tesla cars are zero emissions, but their factories aren't - and also have been sued by the EPA for toxic & cancer-causing emissions.

I'll be hanging on to my copper, lithium and REE mining shares, though.

Recent article detailed the carbon particles from evehicle tyres is greater than the tailpipe emissions from an ICE vehicle.

 

[mrsterryn]

WCMO is when "Tech Savvy Senior " classes are for using your smart phone and introduction to the internet
Why not classes about VPNs, setting up printers, security online ,wireless connections , routers, etc
Flipping heck really annoys

 

[Pushka]

WCMO is when "Tech Savvy Senior " classes are for using your smart phone and introduction to the internet
Why not classes about VPNs, setting up printers, security online ,wireless connections , routers, etc
Flipping heck really annoys

Agree. They assume everyone is a numpty but if they thought about it, our age group was the first generation of internet users unless they think nothing existed before they ‘discovered’ it.

 

[Pushka]

Being apartment based I thought we’d be protected from Jehovahs Witness visits. Nope. Last night the downstairs door bell rang and answered the video phone. They invited me to a meeting to celebrate Jesus death. Sigh.

 

[mrsterryn]

Being apartment based I thought we’d be protected from Jehovahs Witness visits. Nope. Last night the downstairs door bell rang and answered the video phone. They invited me to a meeting to celebrate Jesus death. Sigh.

Funnily enough I had a memory on Facebook about JWs at our place
We are in a small small block of townhouses and in almost 20 years we have had two JWs buzz

 

[TheRealTMA]

Being apartment based I thought we’d be protected from Jehovahs Witness visits. Nope. Last night the downstairs door bell rang and answered the video phone. They invited me to a meeting to celebrate Jesus death. Sigh.

Tell them to hang atround and come back in three days.

 

[drron]

Quite a few years ago we were continually getting the JWs visiting. Then they came early one Sunday morning. I told them in not very polite language that I was in bed with my wife so leave and never come back. And not 1 visit since. It seems I have made the JW black list.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Quite a few years ago we were continually getting the JWs visiting. Then they came early one Sunday morning. I told them in not very polite language that I was in bed with my wife so leave and never come back. And not 1 visit since. It seems I have made the JW black list.

Maybe they died and went to Africa .

 

[p--and--t]

Being apartment based I thought we’d be protected from Jehovahs Witness visits. Nope. Last night the downstairs door bell rang and answered the video phone. They invited me to a meeting to celebrate Jesus death. Sigh.

A colleague related he found the best way to be added to the no call list was to invite them in to discuss their thoughts on incest.

I have never had them call thankfully..

 

[Pushka]

A colleague related he found the best way to be added to the no call list was to invite them in to discuss their thoughts on incest.

I have never had them call thankfully..

Or tell them they have called just as you've discovered a murder and state they are now a suspect/witness.

 

[Hvr]

Being apartment based I thought we’d be protected from Jehovahs Witness visits. Nope. Last night the downstairs door bell rang and answered the video phone. They invited me to a meeting to celebrate Jesus death. Sigh.

Google "Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson The festival of life", for how to handle them.

It is not safe for work!