What cheeses me off

[justinbrett]

Yeah … but the law also says not to exceed the randomly-chosen speed limit regardless of whether it’s safer for all parties to do so … where I can get away with it, I’ll do the thing that keeps me & mine undamaged as well as being the best thing for other road users…


Small roundabouts like my bad MS Paint above, that’s the rule.

Large roundabouts (I must admit I’m not sure what that definition is - might be multi-lane ones?) aren’t the same, they’re about indicating on exit.

If you are in the left lane indicating right (but intending to go straight ahead), and I'm in the right lane going straight ahead, I'm going to think you're going to try to cut in front of me.

You're indicating completely opposite of what you are intending to do. You don't get to make up your own rules. You don't need to indicate to say you're not exiting, that's the job of an absence of a left indicator.

This isn't up for debate, refer to any state's road rules. It's 100% crystal clear how you should indicate.

 

[Forg]

If you are in the left lane indicating right, and I'm in the right lane going straight ahead, I'm going to think you're going to try to cut in front of me.

You're indicating completely opposite of what you are intending to do. You don't get to make up your own rules. You don't need to indicate to say you're not exiting, that's the job of an absence of a left indicator.

This isn't up for debate, refer to any state's road rules. It's 100% crystal clear how you should indicate.

I agree it’s not up for debate, but I also don’t think you’re necessarily on the money either.

Say this roundabout has 6 roads leading into it, they can’t be at 90 degrees to each other. It’s a 2-lane roundabout. Upon entering the roundabout, nobody is going straight ahead because the exits aren’t all at 90 degrees from each other. If I’m in the left lane on entering the roundabout and you’re in the right lane, and I’m not exiting at the very first exit, then yep it’s perfect for me to have my right-hand blinker on to tell everyone I’m not exiting at that first exit. If I’m then exiting at the 2nd exit, I should put my left blinker on straight away so everyone knows … if I’m continuing around the roundabout, everyone needs to know, I leave my right blinker on. What’s most important is that you know what I’m doing.

 

[justinbrett]

What’s most important is that you know what I’m doing.

I have no idea what you’re doing because you’re making your own system up. You should never be indicating right in the left lane unless the roundabout is marked that you can turn right from the left lane.

You’re in the 1% doing this and you’re confusing the rest of us.

But you do you.

 

[Forg]

I have no idea what you’re doing because you’re making your own system up. You should never be indicating right in the left lane unless the roundabout is marked that you can turn right from the left lane.

You’re in the 1% doing this and you’re confusing the rest of us.

But you do you.

You can see exactly what I’m doing, it’s super obvious, the only more obvious thing I could do would be to have a big sign on the car saying “Exiting on Parkway Drive”.

 

[justinbrett]

You can see exactly what I’m doing, it’s super obvious, the only more obvious thing I could do would be to have a big sign on the car saying “Exiting on Parkway Drive”.

No, you’re the reason driver instructors teach never to trust indicators. If I see you indicating the way you say you do, I think you don’t know what you’re doing.

Is it that hard to just follow the road rules?

 

[Forg]

No, you’re the reason driver instructors teach never to trust indicators. If I see you indicating the way you say you do, I think you don’t know what you’re doing.

So you think someone with a right indicator on is going left, more likely than a person with no indicator just couldn’t be coughd and could be doing anything?

From the RMS site, “So other drivers know what you intend to do, you must indicate when turning at a roundabout. Continue to indicate as you turn.”

 

[justinbrett]

So you think someone with a right indicator on is going left, more likely than a person with no indicator just couldn’t be coughd and could be doing anything?

From the RMS site, “So other drivers know what you intend to do, you must indicate when turning at a roundabout. Continue to indicate as you turn.”

We’re talking about going straight ahead.

That link you quoted has pictures. I suggest you study them.

And no, I think someone indicating right from the left lane (that isn’t a right turning lane), doesn’t know how to indicate at a roundabout.

 

[Forg]

That link you quoted has pictures.

… which are not at all relevant to multi-lane roundabouts, as so many of them don’t have a “straight ahead”, the exits go off in all directions.

And no, I think someone indicating right from the left lane (that isn’t a right turning lane), doesn’t know how to indicate at a roundabout.

Despite the fact they’re following the rules as they are stated? Pick & choose much? “My blinkers would wear out if I followed the rule about indicating while turning as they are stated, therefore anyone following the rules as they are stated must be doing Random cough”.

 

[Captain Halliday]

I’m just going to leave this here.

 

[Forg]

^ Pfft, 4 exits all perpindicular - simplification of reality!

This is reality:

 

[justinbrett]

… which are not at all relevant to multi-lane roundabouts, as so many of them don’t have a “straight ahead”, the exits go off in all directions.


Despite the fact they’re following the rules as they are stated? Pick & choose much? “My blinkers would wear out if I followed the rule about indicating while turning as they are stated, therefore anyone following the rules as they are stated must be doing Random cough”.

You obviously didn’t look at the pictures, they are all multi lane roundabouts.

I’m done. Every state clearly says how to indicate and you choose to make your own rules.

As for your “complex” roundabouts, The RAC of WA explains how to use your common sense to apply the standard rules.

If you’re leaving at the first exit and it’s less than halfway around, you indicate a left turn before you enter and keep indicating left until you exit.

If you’re continuing straight ahead or reasonably straight ahead along the road on which you entered the roundabout from, don’t indicate as you enter the roundabout but ideally you should indicate a left turn just before you exit. Indicate your left turn as you pass the exit just prior to the one you’re exiting from.

If you’re turning right - so exiting after the halfway point - indicate a right turn before you enter the roundabout and continue to indicate while you're in the roundabout. Then as you pass the exit just prior to the one you’re exiting from, indicate left.

Roundabout road rules | RAC WA

From single lane roundabouts to multi-lane roundabouts with three or more exits, here are the rules on how to correctly use them all.

rac.com.au

 

[Cruiser Elite]

What cheeses me off ………. are petty arguments in the ‘What cheeses me off’ thread

 

[mrsterryn]

What cheeses me off
When I buy shorts for Mr Terry , they fit perfectly wash like a rag and I can't find anymore of them

 

[JohnK]

And drivers who approach the roundabout from your right at high speed and plough straight through erroneously believing they have the right of way when you were clearly at the roundabout entrance first

So how about when you're sitting at the roundabout and on your right is free flowing traffic. The first car on your right should proceed through the roundabout. The rest of the cars behind need to stop as they are clearly approaching a roundabout with a car already already at the roundabout the waiting.

Who stops?

 

[Forg]

So how about when you're sitting at the roundabout and on your right is free flowing traffic. The first car on your right should proceed through the roundabout. The rest of the cars behind need to stop as they are clearly approaching a roundabout with a car already already at the roundabout the waiting.

Who stops?

If it’s an N-way roundabout, and there’s as much traffic coming from each of the N directions, there’s a tendency towards everyone taking turns because the car on your right needing to stop for someone already on the roundabout does tend to result in a gap you can get into … which I think is the scenario you’re describing, if you have small roundabouts in mind?

Although I’m also unsure if when you said there’s already a car “at“ the roundabout, you’re suggesting someone said you need to give way to a car that’s not yet on the roundabout and is waiting to get onto it? I don’t think anyone has stated that ‘round here have they (I could easily have missed it)? Oh no, wait … looking at what LCC said I can see it could be interpreted that way, I thought he meant that the fast-moving car can see without obstruction that you’re going to be on it before they are.

Larger roundabouts get more complicated though as there’s more ability for cars to catch-up with each other, and those gaps disappear … I guess those traffic-lights on some of those roundabouts are to force those gaps to be there, thinkin’ about it?

 

[Yearlylonghaul]

I’m just going to leave this here.

At long last, a clear and sensible explanation of the roundabout rules.

 

[LCC]

So how about when you're sitting at the roundabout and on your right is free flowing traffic. The first car on your right should proceed through the roundabout. The rest of the cars behind need to stop as they are clearly approaching a roundabout with a car already already at the roundabout the waiting.

Who stops?

From my experience the cars to the right approaching the roundabout often seem to think they have right of way when they are in a convoy and as has been previously stated it is usually safest to just let them barrel blindly through at speed rather then have them slam into you because they didn't bother to look and see you had already entered the roundabout on their left...

 

[TheRealTMA]

This would really cheese me off if it is to be implemented! DYKWIAs everywhere, everytime, all the time.

Airlines could soon allow 5G phone calls during flights

‘Flight mode’ could become a thing of the past under new EU rules to promote 5G on planes.

www.executivetraveller.com

 

[mel-world]

From my experience the cars to the right approaching the roundabout often seem to think they have right of way when they are in a convoy and as has been previously stated it is usually safest to just let them barrel blindly through at speed rather then have them slam into you because they didn't bother to look and see you had already entered the roundabout on their left...

I think we have just about exhausted this subject on this thread. Otherwise, it might need a stand alone threat but not sure how much more could be discussed.

Edit: I see it already exists!!

 

[Cossie]

What cheeses me off?

Uptake of Americanisms. Cookies and the one I loathe in particular “bathroom”.

What is wrong with dunny, bog, toilet, latrine, water closet (wc), outhouse, thunderbox, lavatory or loo? sigh.

How Americanisms are killing the English language

A book released this year claims that Americanisms will have completely absorbed the English language by 2120. Hephzibah Anderson takes a look.

www.bbc.com