What cheeses me off

Surprised you got here in time to poast that, and aren't still stuck behind them at said roundabout!

The flipside are the ones who nearly slam into you even though you were on the roundabout first by a solid margin, and then scream at you like it's your fault I presume because you didn't give way to the right & they're living in 30 years ago's rules.


*high-fives*

How do people conflict with you if you are on the roundabout first, and they have come from the right (and thus have further to travel)?

I'm trying to visualise it in my head.

My issue is when I have entered the round about and nearly up to the next entrance and someone thinks they can whip out in front of me and I have to slam the breaks on. Council buses are notorious for it. If I have to break, you cut in. But I'm on their right, so I'm hoping this isn't the example you're referring to, because they are in the wrong.
 
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How do people conflict with you if you are on the roundabout first, and they have come from the right (and thus have further to travel)?

I'm trying to visualise it in my head.
Larger roundabouts it's less likely, but a lot of the roads around home have those relatively small roundabouts where the road itself isn't super-wide and in order to fit footpaths between the road & the fence-lines the roundabouts are tiny (the circle of concrete in the middle is probably about a 3m diameter & even the non-articulated buses need to drive over the top of that circle of concrete).

So when someone comes barrelling into the roundabout at a rate of knots, often only looking to their right because "give way to the right", they can quite easily get really close to running into the side (or rear) of you 'cos you've accelerated from a standstill. Often it's because they want to quickly get onto the roundabout before a stream of traffic from a set of lights up the road on their right.
And if I'm honest, when it happens I do usually just let them go despite having right-of-way, as it's kinda better to avoid a prang if possible. :) Which I guess enforces to them their ability to get away with it?
 
Yes, I agree with you all about roundabouts. But some comments:
Drivers who think that at a roundabout you can only proceed if there is no other car in sight.
They seem to think they need to wait for a written invitation.
100%. I've decided they seem to think the rule is give way to the right. I've also seen a comment from someone on social media who said their driving instructor told them the best thing to do is stop and wait 5 seconds before going onto the roundabout. That driving instructor needs a good paddling.
And drivers who approach the roundabout from your right at high speed and plough straight through erroneously believing they have the right of way when you were clearly at the roundabout entrance first
I'm not sure being at the entrance is important. The rule is give way to traffic on the roundabout. If you are at the entrance, technically you're not on the roundabout.
aside= someone made a good point that there is no such thing as someone having right of way. They have to give way, that's not the same as the other car having right of way
The flipside are the ones who nearly slam into you even though you were on the roundabout first by a solid margin, and then scream at you like it's your fault I presume because you didn't give way to the right & they're living in 30 years ago's rules.


*high-fives*
Actually the rule 30 years ago when I was learning to driving was give way to traffic on the round about. They're just not following the rule, IMO
So when someone comes barrelling into the roundabout at a rate of knots, often only looking to their right because "give way to the right", they can quite easily get really close to running into the side (or rear) of you 'cos you've accelerated from a standstill. Often it's because they want to quickly get onto the roundabout before a stream of traffic from a set of lights up the road on their right.
And if I'm honest, when it happens I do usually just let them go despite having right-of-way, as it's kinda better to avoid a prang if possible. :) Which I guess enforces to them their ability to get away with it?
I don't get how you can just let them go if you're already on the roundabout. They have to give way if you are on the round about. If you haven't entered the round about then they do not have to give way. On a small roundabout where you entered first (and hence they are giving way), I'm not sure how you can just let them go.

Same comment about "right of way" not being a thing.
 
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I do get how you can just let them go if you're already on the roundabout. They have to give way if you are on the round about. If you haven't entered the round about then they do not have to give way. On a small roundabout where you entered first (and hence they are giving way), I'm not sure how you can just let them go.
MS Paint, it makes EVERYTHING better. :)

The scenario (and this is a highly detailed image showing a particular intersection) I have in mind is this:
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I'm green, the person in the SUV or dual-cab (it's always an SUV or dual-cab) is in orange. I've stopped or nearly stopped because the vision isn't great & I can only see the orange SUV if I'm right at the intersection, but even if Orange SUV accelerates hard I'm still on the roundabout first. But because Orange SUV is carrying a fair bit of speed, if they don't slow down they can easily hit me.

PS. on the 30 year thing It's probably OVER 30 years ago now I think about it, and I can't recall whether the rules changed before I got my license in 1987 - they may have! But in NSW there was a time when there was a universal rule for intersections without signage or markings that was "give way to the right", before they actually made a rule for roundabouts which was "give way to those on the roundabout" ... the subtle difference does allow better traffic flow if everyone follows the rules. A lot of drivers were taught by their parents who were doing the wrong thing, and heaps of people who started driving WAY after the current rules are Doing It Wrong and don't know they're screwing-up.
 
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Larger roundabouts it's less likely, but a lot of the roads around home have those relatively small roundabouts where the road itself isn't super-wide and in order to fit footpaths between the road & the fence-lines the roundabouts are tiny (the circle of concrete in the middle is probably about a 3m diameter & even the non-articulated buses need to drive over the top of that circle of concrete).

So when someone comes barrelling into the roundabout at a rate of knots, often only looking to their right because "give way to the right", they can quite easily get really close to running into the side (or rear) of you 'cos you've accelerated from a standstill. Often it's because they want to quickly get onto the roundabout before a stream of traffic from a set of lights up the road on their right.
And if I'm honest, when it happens I do usually just let them go despite having right-of-way, as it's kinda better to avoid a prang if possible. :) Which I guess enforces to them their ability to get away with it?

Ah right, yeah I don't use many of them where I live. Mostly two laned roundabouts. I don't think it's possible for your scenario to occur on them. If someone to your right gets in your way, that was your fault.
 
MS Paint, it makes EVERYTHING better. :)

The scenario (and this is a highly detailed image showing a particular intersection) I have in mind is this:
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I'm green, the person in the SUV or dual-cab (it's always an SUV or dual-cab) is in orange. I've stopped or nearly stopped because the vision isn't great & I can only see the orange SUV if I'm right at the intersection, but even if Orange SUV accelerates hard I'm still on the roundabout first. But because Orange SUV is carrying a fair bit of speed, if they don't slow down they can easily hit me.

PS. on the 30 year thing It's probably OVER 30 years ago now I think about it, and I can't recall whether the rules changed before I got my license in 1987 - they may have! But in NSW there was a time when there was a universal rule for intersections without signage or markings that was "give way to the right", before they actually made a rule for roundabouts which was "give way to those on the roundabout" ... the subtle difference does allow better traffic flow if everyone follows the rules. A lot of drivers were taught by their parents who were doing the wrong thing, and heaps of people who started driving WAY after the current rules are Doing It Wrong and don't know they're screwing-up.
Makes sense now. In your situation, I just go. Have chased down and educated some clown in the "orange car" who got all stroppy about it.
But agree safety first is the best approach, especially if you can't see.

Got my licence in 1988, give way to those on the roundabout was the rule then (QLD). They also had the unmarked intersection thing about give way to the right. Subtle, not too subtle, difference between a roundabout and intersection.
National uniform rules (mostly uniform - hook turn anyone) have since come in. I've checked the roundabout rule, becoz numpties being useless. It's still give way to those on the round about.

The other stupid thing they do is just change lanes into you - "I had my indicator on" - SO WHAT YOU STILL HAVE TO GIVE WAY and change lanes safely and NOT run into another car!

Totally agree they don't know they're screwing up.
 
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Or it indiciaires your number is live and valid, which can the. be sold to other scammers.
Understood. But these are clients in OUR database whom I know and have called previously. And they have called to speak to me when I was occupied.
 
Roundabouts ?? It's the DHs that don't indicate that cheese me off. when it's a busy one they cause you to hesitate & miss your chance because they failed to indicate.
My wife was pulled up a few years ago for not indicating in a roundabout - not fined just lectured - indicate left if turning left, indicate right if going straight ahead or continuing right and then left when exiting at all roundabouts
 
P&O Customer support (somewhere in Philippines?)

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received
OP: Oh the systems says the email was sent so you must have got it
Me: No I didn't get it and I've checked the spam folder
OP: Oh well the system says you got it so wait 48hrs and check again

48 hours later

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received
OP: Oh the systems says the email was sent so you must have got it
Me: No I didn't get it and I've checked the spam folder
OP: Oh I'll look at the system again
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24 hours later

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received this is my 3rd call
OP: Oh the system says the email couldn't be sent, bad email address
Me: Um but its the same email address you sent me marketing material a few hours after I registered
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P&O Customer support (somewhere in Philippines?)

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received
OP: Oh the systems says the email was sent so you must have got it
Me: No I didn't get it and I've checked the spam folder
OP: Oh well the system says you got it so wait 48hrs and check again

48 hours later

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received
OP: Oh the systems says the email was sent so you must have got it
Me: No I didn't get it and I've checked the spam folder
OP: Oh I'll look at the system again
OP: Oh the system says the email couldn't be sent, bad email address
Me: Um but its the same email address you sent me marketing material a few hours after I registered
OP: Hangs Up

24 hours later

Me: I tried to register on your site and it says I have to click on the link to confirm email address but no email received this is my 3rd call
OP: Oh the system says the email couldn't be sent, bad email address
Me: Um but its the same email address you sent me marketing material a few hours after I registered
OP: Well you typed in (my email address)
Me: Yes, that's the email address, and the one you and Princess send all your marketing materials to
OP: Maybe there is a system issue, I'll lodge a ticket, maybe you could try logging on again in 4-5 days time to see if it has been fixed

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Indicating is where a roundabout should be treated like an intersection - straight through - no indicator. Then the cars from the opposite direction know they can also go.

Of course, it gets more complex for roundabouts with more than 4 directions... But same basic rule, Am I crossing oncoming traffic? - indicate right.

And yes, indicate left to leave the roundabout.

anyway, enough from me.
 
Or those who think it's a race and have to overtake on the inside. Maybe Canberra is worse because we have so many roundabouts.
Or the cyclist on my left who decided it was a good idea to use the shadow cover of a truck next to her who decided to enter the roundabout instead of give way to me, the truck accelerates leaving the cyclist fully exposed to a potential TBone from me. I screeched the breaks so hard all the traffic simply stopped. Britannia roundabout Adelaide.
 
It's contrary to the law. Basic road rules here.
Yeah … but the law also says not to exceed the randomly-chosen speed limit regardless of whether it’s safer for all parties to do so … where I can get away with it, I’ll do the thing that keeps me & mine undamaged as well as being the best thing for other road users…

Indicating is where a roundabout should be treated like an intersection - straight through - no indicator. Then the cars from the opposite direction know they can also go.
Small roundabouts like my bad MS Paint above, that’s the rule.

Large roundabouts (I must admit I’m not sure what that definition is - might be multi-lane ones?) aren’t the same, they’re about indicating on exit.
 

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