What cheeses me off

[DC3]

But once delivered it can't be changed unless a new trial occurs through appeal. . Yes Judge can have closing comments but they are by no means binding.

Are you following all of this, John?

 

[Pushka]

The HCoA in Doney vs Queen says otherwise and a trial judge can direct a jury to deliver a not guilty verdict.

The jury appraises the evidence - they are the finder of fact. A jury verdict still has to be declared by the judge

 

[andye]

My understanding is that juries are in general very conscientious and balanced. Those who may not be initially will get taken along by the group

 

[DC3]

It’s rather interesting seeing what cheeses-off some of our AFFers.

 

[Pushka]

It’s rather interesting seeing what cheeses-off some of our AFFers.

Some of the AFF'ers as well

 

[DejaBrew]

Slightly OT, but all this talk about jury duty reminds me of The Jury: Death On The Staircase which is available to watch on SBS On Demand. Worthwhile viewing for those curious for some insight into the role of a jury, how difficult it is for jurors to fulfil that role (as opposed to playing detective etc) and how different personalities and perspectives can make a massive difference to the outcome of a trial.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Oh OK. Must remember that @Pushka said I cannot think for myself and must not judge and must do what everyone tells me.

P.S. I can judge who I want when I want and no one can stop me. Please excuse me from jury duty as I've already made up my mind. Simple request. Why would anyone try to fight it?

I really really hope that society does not go down the path of forcing people to think alike and not question. Welcome to the Borg where all are equal. Where all are the same.

Because, you could be exactly the person they are looking for!

Let’s say there was a case over seat reclining on a plane (ended up in a heated argument), or someone allegedly disobeying crew instructions because they used the business class lavatory instead of the one at the back.

You might be the ideal person the defence is looking for because you might understand why their client acted in the way they did!

Pre-judging someone may not be a disadvantage.

 

[n7of9]

People underestimate the sense of duty one feels when faced with the seriousness of a courtroom. The commanding presence of a Judge, wigs and robes everywhere, hushed tones, everyone sitting silently, listening and watching. Most contentious people very quickly understand the importance of their role, and one's prejudices are often challenged. Anyone assuming they know how they'll think or feel are quite mistaken.

 

[JohnK]

Sorry if pointing out the facts disturbs you.

Good god. Evaluating the strength of the evidence forces you to think for yourself. Exactly the opposite of your mindset expressed above. Dont judge the person, judge the evidence. I guess this concept just doesn't exist in any simulation.

What I am trying to say is there are people out there who have already made up their mind and are not fit to be on any jury. That is fact. Not speculation. We should not be forcing them to be on a jury. They should be excused.

Whether we are in a "reality" or simulation is not relevant. Most would not know the difference.q