What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

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re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Borghetti is good at this stuff. Knowing him, he will take time to get the DJ product and service right, then QF may be in a little bit of pain in the short term after having relaunched their new old product with a few frills only to be gazumped. ;)


Oh yes, perhaps start with the IT, then the mutiple branding, what do those names all mean again. Being DJ, then go back and double check the IT is working properly. :D
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Just had a good look at the Qantas website and found that after 4 May 2011 ^Qantas will provide preferential access, when available, to selected Qantas Classic Award seats for Silver members from 4 May 2011 (Gold and Platinum members already have a similar benefit). Qantas & Partner Classic Award seat availability is limited and some flights may not have any Classic Award seats available.

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Silver Benefits

I'm NB, but have about 340,000 points which I've been slowly accumulating following a RTW trip some years ago + limited flying x a regional airport + some credit card transactions (very little Woolies!). Following retirement, I had planned to use the points in 2012 for another RTW classic awards trip flying mainly J. Now it appears that I will have to be Silver to gain access.

Rats! I should have been flying with Rex during all the years that I've been out in western NSW. Cheaper and more flights.

Once retired, and I've somehow used up my points, I'll be flying with other airlines. Will be RTW in J about once a year as I visit family and friends.

Thanks Qantas.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Just had a good look at the Qantas website and found that after 4 May 2011 ^Qantas will provide preferential access, when available, to selected Qantas Classic Award seats for Silver members from 4 May 2011 (Gold and Platinum members already have a similar benefit). Qantas & Partner Classic Award seat availability is limited and some flights may not have any Classic Award seats available.

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Silver Benefits

I'm NB, but have about 340,000 points which I've been slowly accumulating following a RTW trip some years ago + limited flying x a regional airport + some credit card transactions (very little Woolies!). Following retirement, I had planned to use the points in 2012 for another RTW classic awards trip flying mainly J. Now it appears that I will have to be Silver to gain access.

You'll still be able to get classic award seats. Just that people with status will have more award seats available. That means as an NB the you'll have to get in quicker that someone with higher status to get a the award.

Of course, Any Seat Awards now earn points and Status and are a much better proposition if you can get them for about the same cost as a classic award.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Well fjc getting to Silver is not too hard but you need to do 4 flights as well as getting to that reduced number of SC's.That gets you seat selection which can be important.
Classic seats will still just be a click away even if you are not Silver and dont ignore Premium Economy.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Dear Mr Cowling

Thank you for your follow-up email.

1. I don't agree that our email regarding the changes to Platinum benefits was misleading or dishonest and I'm sorry that you feel this way. With new Premium Security Lanes, additional options for Platinum members who earn 2400 Status credits over a member year (50,000 points, 3 Valet Parking Vouchers or a Complimentary Gold membership for a family member of friend). there are new benefits, as well as improvements to already existing benefits, that we're pleased to tell our members about. In conjunction with the addition of 'on arrival' Qantas Club access, we believe these benefits offset and exceed, the loss of anytime lounge access and the change from 2100 to 2400 Status credits for attaining the extra Platinum benefits. I'm not sure why the arrival access wasn't included in the initial email, but can confirm that it's a benefit available to Platinum members from February 2011.

2. Compared to Gold membership, the difference in benefits are quite significant. Double the Status bonus, access to International First Lounges and Domestic Business Lounges, dedicated priority phone reservations, higher priority for the allocation of upgrades and membership services, priority boarding and baggage handling, and more. Basically, you receive a higher level of service compared to Gold Frequent Flyers, whether if be membership benefits, enquiries or day of travel facilities and services. You're a Platinum Frequent Flyer and we allocate you the highest level of service in recognition of your loyalty and preference for travel with Qantas.

As mentioned in my previous email, I'd like to assure you that we do appreciate you letting us know how you feel and your feedback has been referred to senior management for their information. The details will be kept on record, and used as a reference when planning future changes to the program.
 
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re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

In conjunction with the addition of 'on arrival' Qantas Club access . . .

It's not an addition, Qantas rep. That benefit always existed. Don't pretend you're doing Platinums a favour.

I'm not sure why the arrival access wasn't included in the initial email, but can confirm that it's a benefit available to Platinum members from February 2011.

Call me a cynic but this makes me think that the 'concession' announced by Red Roo was not a concession at all, merely an omission from the original email. I'm not for a moment suggesting she/he was dishonest in her/his post, but maybe we've been 'had' by this apparent middle-grounding.

2. Compared to Gold membership, the difference in benefits are quite significant. Double the Status bonus

Okay, fair enough.

access to International First Lounges and Domestic Business Lounges

Where they exist. Qantas said there'd be one a domestic J in Perth and that got scrubbed.

. . . dedicated priority phone reservations

I find this a very worthy benefit of Platinum.

. . . higher priority for the allocation of upgrades and membership services

This is debatable. And with Silvers now getting a bigger slice of the pie, there's even more frequent flyers trying to get their hands on the very limited seats.

priority boarding

According to your website the benefit of priority boarding applies only to "selected Qantas international flights". Oh, and the Qantas website also states this benefit applies - identically - for Platinum and Gold.

Of course, Qantas rep, you may be talking about priority security, in which case yes, that's a Platinum- oh, nope, sorry. According to your website access to priority security lanes at selected domestic airports is available to both Platinum and Gold.

and [priority] baggage handling

We've all debated this and I think the general consensus is it doesn't live up to its promise. My home port of Perth is particularly bad, not just from my experience it seems. I'll see this as a benefit when it actually works out as it should.

and more. Basically, you receive a higher level of service compared to Gold Frequent Flyers, whether if be membership benefits, enquiries or day of travel facilities and services.

Ummmm, like what? Aside from the domestic J lounge (again, where they exist), the Qantas website lists on-departure upgrades, priority waitlisting, the loyalty bonus, the 1000 point minimum guarantee . . . they're all the same for Platinum and Gold.

So when you take out the hyperbole and the propaganda and the spin-doctoring, Qantas rep, Platinums are indeed left with very little.

I'd like to be clear: I don't wish to sound like a 'do you know who I am?' I'm simply trying to determine (like many others, it seems) why I or any other QFF would want to strive to achieve Platinum over Gold. On the upside, no doubt one day I'll drop to Gold - and while the grass won't be greener, it'll look much the same.

Time to re-work your standard email response defence, Qantas!
 
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2. Compared to Gold membership, <snip>, priority boarding

Except priority boarding for platinum members never happens on domestic flights IME

According to your website the benefit of priority boarding applies only to "selected Qantas international flights". Oh, and the Qantas website also states this benefit applies - identically - for Platinum and Gold.

platinum is supposed to get priority boarding on domestic flights:

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Benefits & Privileges - Status Privileges

Edit: actually thinking about this more, not providing priority boarding is really misleading and deceptive contact. The claim they provide this benefit to people who spend a heap of money and get to platinum. But in reality it doesn't happen. Qantas has totally lost the plot.
 
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re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

so, I am thinking of aiming for Gold this year and not Platinum.

And channelling across to Virgin. I ddin t realise you can pick up DJ status credits with Etihad, Malaysian and Delta. I had vowed not to fly Delta again a few years ago but people are saying that they have picked up the pace.
the frustrating thing is starting again when flying domestically.
For all the rhetoric, we are almost back to the two airline system we had a decade ago....
Could i please have my 165 000 Ansett points back please?
 
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re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

As a result of the "enhancements" to QP membership (loss of priority check-in lanes when travelling Y, no extra luggage allowance when travelling J) I cancelled my QP membership which I have held for about 12 years.

The QP has become more and more crowded, the quality of the food, drink, facilities and service poorer and poorer and with every "enhancement" privileges are removed yet the membership cost has only increased.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

I need an increased incentive to ever consider to fly QF again. Much improved and consistent product in the air and on the ground, and a loyalty program that shows QF wants my business all the time, not just when it suits them.

My money, my choice according to what is value. I am not stupid enough to pay a premium price for a product with a kangaroo on its tail.

Until then....there are so many other options.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Lifetime recognition - like upgrades we see that this is valued.

Much have been said about the demise of having LTG and/or LTS and about not trying to attain them anymore.

This maybe wishful thinking: One sure way to get QFFs over to DJ is when you next offer a status match, match not only the status but also the LTG and LTS membership AND those in the process of attaining them (i.e. 75% to LTG QF to be the same as 75% LTG for DJ)!

I know I will jump over if this happens!. PM me if this happens! :D
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Except priority boarding for platinum members never happens on domestic flights IME platinum is supposed to get priority boarding on domestic flights:

http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/statusPrivileges.

On a couple of flights last week I made a point of observing the queue. I don't usually bother standing in the queue, but wait until the unwashed/hippies/harpies are on first with their 4 or 5 items of carry-on (HEY RED ROO WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE FIXED? I WAITED FOR A GOOD 10 MINS WHILE THE STUPIDS FOUND SPACE FOR THEIR MULTIPLE CARRY_ONS). I think priority boarding does exist, but its not flagged. I noted two or three people that went around the side of the gate and were allowed through. So next time I'll try that too.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

Why QF allows so much carry-on is beyond me especially when they are simultaneously cutting the check-in allowance to one item. I naively assumed QF would want to encourage people to check luggage in than lengthen boarding time waiting for people to cram the overhead bins full.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

In conjunction with the addition of 'on arrival' Qantas Club access, we believe these benefits offset and exceed, the loss of anytime lounge access and the change from 2100 to 2400 Status credits for attaining the extra Platinum benefits. I'm not sure why the arrival access wasn't included in the initial email, but can confirm that it's a benefit available to Platinum members from February 2011.
This just has to be stupidity from QF at it's best. Anytime lounge access is anytime lounge access including arrival access. Not introducing anything new so I do not understand why QF is using this benefit as an enhancement.

Why QF allows so much carry-on is beyond me especially when they are simultaneously cutting the check-in allowance to one item. I naively assumed QF would want to encourage people to check luggage in than lengthen boarding time waiting for people to cram the overhead bins full.
I agree about allowing too much carry-on but the whole plan seems to be about letting people fight for space in the cabin and getting people away from checking luggage to leave more room for freight.
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

This just has to be stupidity from QF at it's best. Anytime lounge access is anytime lounge access including arrival access. Not introducing anything new so I do not understand why QF is using this benefit as an enhancement.

PR statements are now being enhanced. :evil:
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

have they turned off the free wi fi access in the QP now? I'm in the BNE QP and the login screen is asking for cc details or mobile number to access the www.

it was working when I was here on monday last week ...
 
re: What else is burning members about recent "enhancements" to QFF?

have they turned off the free wi fi access in the QP now? I'm in the BNE QP and the login screen is asking for cc details or mobile number to access the www.

it was working when I was here on monday last week ...

Make sure you're connected to the Telstra hotspot and not the Qantas Webconnect.
 
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