What's the status of status credits on the Qantas-Emirates deal??

[simongr]

Hmm - for me personally not a great loss in the current role. I have no need at the moment to go to non-LHR Europe. The only problem for me would be if there wasnt a QF flight number to JED from DXB - not sure if I would worry about the loss of SCs though if I was getting points and status bonus (I currently don't get status bonus on the majority of my JED trips).

 

[coco50]

So it seems that you can earn QF status credits in a QF or EK flight , say fron SYD - DBX> How about using QF points to do a OW RTW busines class starting in SYD and going SYD - DBX - LHR - JFK - LAX - HNL - SYD?

 

[Robert Qld]

Ergh. Yuk.

What is the point of no Status Credits (on EK numbered flights) on such an intenstive partnership. It is basically Qantas trying to have its cake and eat it too.

And as previously said it makes way more sense then S7 or AB who get it via virtue of being in OW.

My worry is QF after booking the ticket will change the flight number to a EK code. QF did that once to me on a AY HEL-BKK flight. I still got the SC with AY but ended up losing ~6000 FF due to the 0.25 AY calculates at.

 

[deadfish]

So it seems that you can earn QF status credits in a QF or EK flight , say fron SYD - DBX> How about using QF points to do a OW RTW busines class starting in SYD and going SYD - DBX - LHR - JFK - LAX - HNL - SYD?

With the current rules you won't be allowed to fly EK on an OneWorld award, as no non-OW operated flights are allowed, codeshare or not.

The OW "RTW" award won't give any SCs for any sector regardless.

 

[coco50]

With the current rules you won't be allowed to fly EK on an OneWorld award, as no non-OW operated flights are allowed, codeshare or not.

The OW "RTW" award won't give any SCs for any sector regardless.

OK. Understood. Well how about QF to DBX and the BA to LHR for the RTW leg. My wife and I would love to do another RTW J class and we have the points to do it

 

[RobJ]

SCs are an important issue for me but, with increasing age and poverty, so is the fact that EK doesn't offer premium economy: I need SCs to keep lounge access when I use CX premium economy. When you can't go J, the QF/EK tie up is not particularly attractive.

 

[Anna]

I won't be flying on EK metal if I'm not earning SCs for it. I made that clear to the person who rang me about a month ago to survey me regarding the proposed QF - EK linkup, so either I was the only person who said that or it has been decided that SC earn is not a significant concern for QF - EK in attracting bookings.

I'll be checking the codeshares closely before making any bookings for EK metal. QF code share tricks that I am aware of include:

- only having codeshares available on less desirable flight timings (example - on AK flights from ANC to LAX, the QF codeshare is only available on the midnight departure not the late afternoon departure), and

- having codeshare prices significantly higher than the same booking made directly with the airline whose metal it is (example - TN flights in J to PPT are vastly cheaper when booked direct with TN rather than as a QF codeshare, to an extent that is laughable).

Overall the EK link may mean that I become more of a supporter of Oneworld airlines than I have been in the past.

 

[Mwenenzi]

I won't be flying on EK metal if I'm not earning SCs for it. I made that clear to the person who rang me about a month ago to survey me regarding the proposed QF - EK linkup, so either I was the only person who said that or it has been decided that SC earn is not a significant concern for QF - EK in attracting bookings.

As in the QF web site & as above a QF code on EK metal will earn SC's
To me QF partnership with SAA is a guide. SC's on code shares. QF Points on a limited selection of other flights [not all SAA's flights]

I'll be checking the codeshares closely before making any bookings for EK metal. QF code share tricks that I am aware of include:
- only having codeshares available on less desirable flight timings (example - on AK flights from ANC to LAX, the QF codeshare is only available on the midnight departure not the late afternoon departure), and
- having codeshare prices significantly higher than the same booking made directly with the airline whose metal it is (example - TN flights in J to PPT are vastly cheaper when booked direct with TN rather than as a QF codeshare, to an extent that is laughable).

Overall the EK link may mean that I become more of a supporter of Oneworld airlines than I have been in the past.

Nothing unusual in codes shares being on a limited range of the other carriers flights
Nothing unusual in codes shares being more expensive than a carriers flight code on its own metal.
Hardly a "trick" : just normal business practice as done by many airlines

 

[Robert Qld]

As in the QF web site & as above a QF code on EK metal will earn SC's
To me QF partnership with SAA is a guide. SC's on code shares. QF Points on a limited selection of other flights [not all SAA's flights]


Nothing unusual in codes shares being on a limited range of the other carriers flights
Nothing unusual in codes shares being more expensive than a carriers flight code on its own metal.
Hardly a "trick" : just normal business practice as done by many airlines

But the difference is this isn't just a ordinary code share. If it was only advertised as a codeshare then this thread probably not exist. This tie up has been advertised as much more, an alliance as such, something much bigger and greater then a mere codeshare, which should include SC in my view.

 

[pshepvic]

But the difference is this isn't just a ordinary code share. If it was only advertised as a codeshare then this thread probably not exist. This tie up has been advertised as much more, an alliance as such, something much bigger and greater then a mere codeshare, which should include SC in my view.

You've hit the nail on the head. If they're going to bang on about it as being such a fantastic global partnership then they should treat it as one!


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[Mwenenzi]

But the difference is this isn't just a ordinary code share. If it was only advertised as a codeshare then this thread probably not exist. This tie up has been advertised as much more, an alliance as such, something much bigger and greater then a mere codeshare, which should include SC in my view.

SC on EK only flights will not happen I my view. EK are not joining OW

From a post by Aisle Seat H in the similar thread of FT quoting from Unravelling the Qantas Frequent Flyer code

..Qantas Frequent Flyer members will be able to “earn and burn” more points after the proposed alliance between the flying kangaroo and Dubai government-owned airline Emirates, but will have to book on a Qantas flight if they want to earn the coveted status credits..
and later says
..Travellers will still earn status credits on code-share Emirates flights, he says, as long as they've booked it under the Qantas flight number. Frequent flyer members who book on a Qantas-Emirates flight under the EK (Emirates) flight number will earn frequent flyer points but not status credits....

And (Note the later start date)

The alliance, due to take effect from July 1 next year, will give Qantas customers one-stop access to more than 70 Emirates destinations in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, with Dubai being the new hub. They will also co-ordinate on their services between Australia and New Zealand and Australia and south-east Asia.

But this is by a journalist and not a QF EK announcement

 

[cmon0005]

There needs to be Sc's on EK numbered flights in my opinion..

For example if I were fly Mel-hkg with QF, then hkg-dxb with cx, stay in dxb for few days then fly dxb-bom (now I can either fly ek or 9w to bom) as both would earn points only on QFF in which case I would choose 9w add its far cheaper than ek.. However if sc's were earned on ek I would fly them even if it meant paying a bit more.

 

[moa999]

But if you are flying EK only (and presumably not booking thru QF then), QF doesn't get any additional revenue, so why should they give you points/SCs which are ultimately a cost (when you use other airlines lounges.

 

[Robert Qld]

But if you are flying EK only (and presumably not booking thru QF then), QF doesn't get any additional revenue, so why should they give you points/SCs which are ultimately a cost (when you use other airlines lounges.

The same reason I'd still get SC when I book a flight through the AA website to fly their metal from any of their hubs to Bumf*ck, Arkansas. QF wouldn't really generate anything on that flight, but the curtesy of the alliance AA and QF have, allow it (treat the others customers as you'd treat your own). EK may not be OW (and I'd sooner believe in Santa then think they'll ever join! Lol) but this alliance, at least on paper is just as strong as any OW deal.

I know SCs are unlikely on EK codes at this point. I personally think it just flys in the face of how this alliance has been touted.

 

[moa999]

AFR article in today's paper (or for those with online access)
Unravelling the Qantas Frequent Flyer code

Contains some quotes from AusBT editor and an unsourced one from a Qantas source (female)

“Qantas frequent flyers will still earn status credits on Qantas-marketed flights operated by Emirates, and that recognition of tier status is a core part of the partnership as a principle is to treat each other’s customers as our own,”
"many aspects of the partnership, including status credit earned on Emirates-marketed flights for Qantas frequent flyers, will continue to be developed."

 

[markis10]

Qantas have already stated here on this forum that the details re SCs are still being worked out, any statement saying yes or no unless it's from QF is purely conjecture.

 

[moa999]

I would take an AFR article quoting a Qantas source as from QF.

 

[Mwenenzi]

I would take an AFR article quoting a Qantas source as from QF.

The quoted text in my post 31 is from the same AFR article (pg 29 in the printed version)
The source is Aust Bus traveler & unnamed Qantas spokeswoman in the article.
Not 100% clear who stated what. (much easier to read on paper than on screen)
But this is by a journalist and not a QF EK announcement

What was attributed to QF spokeswoman was

..“Qantas frequent flyers will still earn status credits on Qantas-marketed flights operated by Emirates, and that recognition of tier status is a core part of the partnership as a principle is to treat each other’s customers as our own,” she says.

No mention of QF SC's for EK marketed / coded flights

 

[moa999]

Agree its not an official announcement, but a journo will generally not quote a company source unless it is an approved statement.

 

[markis10]

Agree its not an official announcement, but a journo will generally not quote a company source unless it is an approved statement.

I would take it with a grain of salt until an official announcement is made, there have been a lot more unnamed quotes lately after it was pointed out that one article quoted a named staffer who had not been a staffer for sometime.