What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

Can I suggest to people who want to criticise the RBA and other central banks – tell us what you would have done differently and why you know better than some of the smartest people in the world.

Central banks are trying to do what they can, within their remit, to improve the lives of the publics they serve. They follow the best available evidence and models, but of course economies are highly complex and we are far from fully understanding how they work still (though our knowledge is improving day by day). Nevertheless, they have legal obligations they need to meet.

If central banks hadn’t responded how they did following the financial crisis (quick QE in the USA, “whatever it takes” from the ECB etc), we would probably be much worse off today.

The problems that politicians create through fiscal and other decisions are a different story and not the responsibility of central banks. If anything, central banks are trying to remedy the failures of politicians.

Give them a break!
 
Can I suggest to people who want to criticise the RBA and other central banks – tell us what you would have done differently and why you know better than some of the smartest people in the world.

Central banks are trying to do what they can, within their remit, to improve the lives of the publics they serve. They follow the best available evidence and models, but of course economies are highly complex and we are far from fully understanding how they work still (though our knowledge is improving day by day). Nevertheless, they have legal obligations they need to meet.

If central banks hadn’t responded how they did following the financial crisis (quick QE in the USA, “whatever it takes” from the ECB etc), we would probably be much worse off today.

The problems that politicians create through fiscal and other decisions are a different story and not the responsibility of central banks. If anything, central banks are trying to remedy the failures of politicians.

Give them a break!

Most of "the smartest people in the world" are indoctrinated into neoclassical ideas.

Hence the reason they target "QE" at banks and other private institutions rather than the people.

Hence the reason it's not achieving anything other than driving up asset prices, concentrating wealth, increasing wealth gaps (well, more like canyons than gaps these days), creating catastrophic levels of utterly unrepayable private debt and stagnating world economies.
 
Most of "the smartest people in the world" are indoctrinated into neoclassical ideas.

Hence the reason they target "QE" at banks and other private institutions rather than the people.

Hence the reason it's not achieving anything other than driving up asset prices, concentrating wealth, increasing wealth gaps (well, more like canyons than gaps these days), creating catastrophic levels of utterly unrepayable private debt and stagnating world economies.

What should central banks have done then? Come on, share your wise solution with us.
 
...Along with some of the highest living standards and longest (?) life expectancy on Earth.

There could have been a lot worse countries to spend the last thirty years in.

But ultimately, yes, lower and lower rates aren't addressing the problems.

Add in the declining population, lowest refugee intake per capita in the OECD, one of the highest suicide rates for teenagers, one of highest domestic abuse (of females) - and Japan is not so rosy.

Life for an expatriate in Tokyo et al is very good.

Life for the roughly 40% of population who were effectively bankrupted by the joint LDP and property developers promotion of 100 yr mortgages shortly before residential property prices fell another 45% - is not so rosy either. Despite incredibly low rates on the mortgages now - over 89% (last figure I saw) of them have -ve equity to the tune of 25% or more.

Not good.

Money politics has wiped out the multi-generational wealth of the Japanese population unfortunately.
 
What should central banks have done then? Come on, share your wise solution with us.

The ruling political party appoints the Central Bank officials/board members.

The ruling political party wants to stay in power.

Recessions do not help a ruling political party to stay in power BUT they:

  • see unsustainable businesses go bust
  • see poor senior/top mgmt shown up as incompetent and get forced out
  • see a renewal through a company's ranks as the nepotism/cronyism gets sacrificed by the 'self-preservation' instinct of the various levels of power
  • see Govt rorts exposed and some of the time actually dealt with


With the GFC what happened (for the first time in modern history) the greatest examples of poor financial mgmt were REWARDED with the companies being bailed out at the taxpayers expense.

Certain investment banks adopted extreme leverage to purchase assets they knew would be worthless but they counted on what was dubbed the "Greenspan Put" to bail them out at the public's expense.

That is then what happened. Not one bonus was repaid by ANY executive at ANY financial institution/operation that was bailed out in the US, UK nor Europe.

In some cases the bailouts saw executives' 'free shares' paid out in full earning (overall) some billions of USD across the US sector.

In Australia, there was much written about Macquarie Bank and its neat 'actions' to SIGNIFICANTLY leverage up post the GFC starting to take advantage of the curiously reworked Fed Gov guarantee that previously DID NOT COVER them.

Have a look at the pattern of Macq Banks declared donations from 2005 to 2009. Value for money...

Or look at Alstom - awarded 2 contracts by the NSW State Govt while they were 'plea-bargaining' for criminal fines for bribing Govt Officials and MPs on every other continent. Bailed out by French Govt twice and admitted in AUD 1.1bn fine plea bargain that they actively supported bribing Govts to win contracts - run out of Paris with Board approval by two specially established departments - one for transport and one for power.

So many other notable examples that a 'normal' business cycle would see vanish and sustainable/well run businesses thrive subsequently.
 
So many other notable examples that a 'normal' business cycle would see vanish and sustainable/well run businesses thrive subsequently.

The world wasn't facing a 'normal' business cycle recession in 2008 - we were experiencing a once-in-a-generation financial crisis that would have created misery akin to the Great Depression had central banks and governments not intervened. Anyone who thinks that would have been acceptable is crazy.

I agree that mistakes have been made, but in relation to central banks, if you think that cutting interest rates and launching QE was the wrong thing to do, then identify what the specific course of action should have been and back it up with research that says why. Everything I've read indicates the world avoided a catastrophe because of decisive action by central banks. If you can't present an evidence-based alternative, your argument is weak and meaningless.
 
Can I suggest to people who want to criticise the RBA and other central banks – tell us what you would have done differently and why you know better than some of the smartest people in the world.
The smartest people in the world have been failing badly the past 20 years.

Society and life in general should be about making life comfortable for the battlers not the overpaid, underachievers who have more than they can spend in multiple lifetimes.

The gap between rich and poor has never been bigger. That's not a good thing. That's nothing to be proud of today. One example is giving the CFO of Qantas ~$150,000/year salary increase. Ludicrous. Makes no sense. But that's just one small example.

I can go on until the cows come home but we are not going agree and I don't buy the propaganda they have been trying to sell the past 20-30 years.
 
The gap between rich and poor has never been bigger. That's not a good thing. That's nothing to be proud of today. One example is giving the CFO of Qantas ~$150,000/year salary increase. Ludicrous. Makes no sense. But that's just one small example.

To be fair, the rich/poor gap has been substantially larger throughout most of human history (a situation the elite yearn mightily for and are busily trying to get us back to).

The last century or two, and particular the thirty-odd years after WW2, are *massive* historical outliers.
 
So in 2009 the world was facing total debt 2.3 times world GDP.
So now it is facing total debt 2.4 times world GDP.
The world may be facing a second once in a lifetime crisis in a few years time.
 
The smartest people in the world have been failing badly the past 20 years.

Society and life in general should be about making life comfortable for the battlers not the overpaid, underachievers who have more than they can spend in multiple lifetimes.

The gap between rich and poor has never been bigger. That's not a good thing. That's nothing to be proud of today. One example is giving the CFO of Qantas ~$150,000/year salary increase. Ludicrous. Makes no sense. But that's just one small example.

I can go on until the cows come home but we are not going agree and I don't buy the propaganda they have been trying to sell the past 20-30 years.

I totally agree with you about inequality. I don't know why you'd think otherwise.

Inequality is a huge issue and I work in this space every day. Inequality is driven by markets, and if governments want to intervene they can do so by improving economic participation (education etc), regulating markets, and redistributing income (through the tax-transfer system).

In comparison to governments, central banks do not have much of a role. I agree that wealth inequality is being exacerbated by rising asset prices driven partly by central bank decisions, but monetary policy is a blunt instrument. Central banks have to decide on balance what to do with monetary policy - they don't have the ability to influence all the downstream effects. Given they are legally obligated to target inflation and in some cases employment, what should they have done otherwise?
 
The world wasn't facing a 'normal' business cycle recession in 2008 - we were experiencing a once-in-a-generation financial crisis that would have created misery akin to the Great Depression had central banks and governments not intervened. Anyone who thinks that would have been acceptable is crazy.

I agree that mistakes have been made, but in relation to central banks, if you think that cutting interest rates and launching QE was the wrong thing to do, then identify what the specific course of action should have been and back it up with research that says why. Everything I've read indicates the world avoided a catastrophe because of decisive action by central banks. If you can't present an evidence-based alternative, your argument is weak and meaningless.

The world has not avoided a catastrophe - merely pushed the date of it out and worsened the intensity of the endpoint. Perhaps an extended depression will be the outcome as the list of OECD members that have passed the point of no return (no ability to ever repay their debt) is now over 5 with the US soon to cross that threshold. A company that keeps getting extended credit by its banks but does not restructure will eventually go bankrupt - only it becomes a much larger bankruptcy.

Example: US health system/Obamacare - it is illegal in the US for a hospital to talk with other hospitals about what they pay the Pharma and Prosthetics companies for their supplies. It is legal for the Pharma and Prosthetic companies to discuss what they charge.

One CFO who left a large hospital (more than 1,000 hips/shoulder replacements a year) joined a brokerage house as a researcher (salary multiplied 5x) and produced an expose of this. Result - rules/non-disclosure documents changed to create personal liability for hospital staff if they EVER disclose the costs despite leaving hospital employment.

One example he produced (and verified independently by firm's legal team) was of the other competing major transplant/replacement hospital in that same major US city - price they paid for roughly same volume of prosthesis purchases was many times that of his hospital.

Pretty much every Pharma and Prosthetic's company both employs lobbyists in every OECD country and from some digging I did in early 2000s - makes political donations to all major political parties.
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Govt debt levels have increased several fold across the OECD with the money printing and subsequent purchasing of the same Govt's debt issues has not achieved growing real GDP increases in fact the real GDP (on a developed economy basis) has never been weaker.

Deficit spending continues unabated and in Australia's case what should have been a mild recession with a healthy weeding out of poor businesses would have been offset by the China-supply boom.

Instead, Australia is on one of the worst trajectories for Govt debt build-up and continues to have expanding problems. Did you know that the bulk of BER spending occurred not in 2007 or 2008 but later? That the cost for the school halls (a NSW blackout hall designed for High Schools only) went up 40% the day after the BER was announced? An investigative reporter put in an FOI request for the last half dozen or so signed before the BER was announced. Did a like-for-like comparison of site specific costs etc.

I even received a fax (by error) meant for one of the chief contractors from a 'consultant' after a meeting held at our local Primary school with myself and two other reps that raised serious 'probity' issues. Attempted follow-ups with local Fed Member, Fed Education Minister (JG) and State Education Minister - were never returned strangely enough. Then the asbestos contamination and exposure of the school community for 6 weeks was uncovered (literally) by myself - only Workcover intervened finally. Media reports got the school name wrong (how unusual for EVERY outlet to get it wrong). Corrections published the following week. Did I mention that many of the firms involved in the BER were substantial donors to all major parties...

For example looking at Myth vs Reality - the claimed spending to achieve the "Gonski education" outcomes is NOT what the Gonski report actually mentioned. In fact the figures so often tossed around were what Julia Gillard's team arrived at. Gonski himself has decried the plan that was espoused.

Govt policy is too often beholden to the 'donors' - both legal and illegal, named and un-named.

Example:
  1. Why has the NSW Liberal Party continued to REFUSE to name the illegal donors that put under $1m into the ACT based 'money washing' fund as alleged by the NSW Electoral Commission?
  2. Why has the State Attorney General not commenced legal proceedings as required under the Act? (Yes I suspect I know why as it is his own party but the question SHOULD have been asked yet neither the media nor other political parties have asked it, curious during the Fed Election is it not?
  3. With negative campaigning in the last 4 weeks by the ALP why was this alleged 'illegal' funding not raised? <Well again I know, but question needs to be asked - previous digging into their respective donation histories showed approx 5 of 10 biggest donors were the same to both sides year in and year out - curiously enough all 5 are now made illegal to donate to both parties>

Most people understand the simple financial theory on 'spend less than you earn'.

Spending 'other peoples' money' which can coincidentally lead to highly paid roles/directorships on shelf companies etc once out of politics or out of the bureaucracy - seems to lead to bad outcomes for the community quite often but VERY large fees for the arrangers.

Example: The NSW Govt is using a discount rate of just under 10% for present valuing the State Govt liabilities (cash flows) on the West Connex project over a 30 year time frame yet for the same time frame is using just over a 3% discount rate for the unfunded superannuation liabilities.

Both liabilities appear in the same section of the NSW State Govt Balance Sheet and have exactly the same accounting definitions and standards for calculation - yet one is roughly 3 times the size of the other. One effectively massively understates the cost of West Connex and the other perhaps slightly overstates the unpaid Super liability. Both should use the same rate.

One has generated tens of millions in 'fees' for the arrangers (same old crew) and the other (by using a significantly lower rate) has increased the privatisation value of all the related super businesses (and of course the related fees..)
 
Does anyone have any insight as to why we are dropping so dramatically against the ZAR? We've moved up against the USD but dropped close to 10% on the ZAR over the last few weeks
 
The ZAR has gone from well over 15 to the USD (in mid May to a bit under 14 (oanda @ 13.7) now.

The change which occurred when converting AUD is a side effect.

Happy wandering

Fred
 
So in 2009 the world was facing total debt 2.3 times world GDP.
So now it is facing total debt 2.4 times world GDP.
The world may be facing a second once in a lifetime crisis in a few years time.
You and I discussed this a few months back. Not that long until the crisis hits. Spend what you can now. The rest may not be worth much. Especially if everyone tries to cash out at once.
 
"Bull markets are born on pessimism, grow on skepticism, mature on optimism, and die on euphoria".

This quote by Sir John Templeton is one of my favourites - and it's also true.

It pays to be a contrarian only when sentiment is extreme. I don't think we are anywhere near that in many risk assets (including the AUD). Skepticism will continue to feed the bull.
 
"Bull markets are born on pessimism, grow on skepticism, mature on optimism, and die on euphoria".

This quote by Sir John Templeton is one of my favourites - and it's also true.

It pays to be a contrarian only when sentiment is extreme. I don't think we are anywhere near that in many risk assets (including the AUD). Skepticism will continue to feed the bull.

Fear & Greed Index - Investor Sentiment - CNNMoney

Admittedly, just one datapoint.

However, various risk assets have risen very significantly last 6+ months, particularly equities. They haven't risen because of underlying fundamentals more because expansion in the PE ratio(underlying earnings in the US are down now for the 6th straight quarter) and lack of returns/yield elsewhere. The increase in equity prices has been assisted by Central Bank buying(BOJ ETFs, SNB directly buying various stocks). In terms of other risk assets, ie AUD, market consensus on AUD, and Australian interest rates has changed significantly downward in last 6 months yet the AUD has been stable/slightly risen - further evidence that risk assets have increased significantly

Nobody of course knows if this will continue, the Central Banks have virtually unlimited firepower(until people lose faith in their firepower - i.e. lose faith in various currencies) nonetheless my personal view is that the upside from here seems limited in risk assets compared to the risk of any downside.

And, regardless of what people think the central banks should have done back in 2008, I think the better question is why they didnt raise rates/ease off the QE in the 2012 - 2014 period. The Fed has raised rates once, and now flip flops every few weeks between thinking about raising rates or not based on speeches from various fed governors. They are fast losing credibility, as is the ECB with negative interest rates(and its not working) and the BOJ which is now actively saying they have "no plans for helicopter money". The very fact they feel the need to deny shows how far we have come!!
 
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Fear & Greed Index - Investor Sentiment - CNNMoney

Admittedly, just one datapoint.

However, various risk assets have risen very significantly last 6+ months, particularly equities. They haven't risen because of underlying fundamentals more because expansion in the PE ratio(underlying earnings in the US are down now for the 6th straight quarter) and lack of returns/yield elsewhere. The increase in equity prices has been assisted by Central Bank buying(BOJ ETFs, SNB directly buying various stocks). In terms of other risk assets, ie AUD, market consensus on AUD, and Australian interest rates has changed significantly downward in last 6 months yet the AUD has been stable/slightly risen - further evidence that risk assets have increased significantly

Nobody of course knows if this will continue, the Central Banks have virtually unlimited firepower(until people lose faith in their firepower - i.e. lose faith in various currencies) nonetheless my personal view is that the upside from here seems limited in risk assets compared to the risk of any downside.

And, regardless of what people think the central banks should have done back in 2008, I think the better question is why they didnt raise rates/ease off the QE in the 2012 - 2014 period. The Fed has raised rates once, and now flip flops every few weeks between thinking about raising rates or not based on speeches from various fed governors. They are fast losing credibility, as is the ECB with negative interest rates(and its not working) and the BOJ which is now actively saying they have "no plans for helicopter money". The very fact they feel the need to deny shows how far we have come!!

Hi, thanks for your thoughtful post.

That CNN index is indeed bearish but it has a shorter term focus, and a small correction would easily reset it. My point was more about the long-term bull market in risk assets, which began in 2009 and still continues, as shown for example by US stocks at all-time-highs.

I’m not sure I agree with your point about there being less upside than downside from here. Many of the major headwinds facing the markets are clearing away: oil prices have stabilised, China is picking up again, European bank shares seem to be carving out a low, Brexit doesn’t seem to have caused major dislocations (yet).

The most important economy – the USA – is hitting fresh post-crisis highs in employment, wage growth, income, consumption and housing.

Money supply is expanding strongly again around the world.

I think all this shows there is quite a lot of upside.

And there is so much skepticism in this bull – which, as I mentioned, provides additional fuel.

Meanwhile what is the downside when you have central banks at your back?

People have been speculating that markets will lose faith in central banks for decades but year after year after year they are proven wrong. Sure, they are muddling along a bit, but they're in uncharted territory. Governments are making their jobs that much harder.

I actually think the biggest risk to central bank credibility (the US specifically) is if they tighten too early! This is where the risks are asymmetrically to the downside.
 

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