When will SYD - DFW be canned (if ever?)

[ermen]

So SYD - DFW will soon be the world's longest route given that SQ will no longer operate SIN - EWR and SIN - LAX direct in their A345. Talk was those non-stop routes were not particularly profitable (in 3 class AND in their all C/J class).

Why do we think that the economics are any better for QF on a SYD - DFW in a 747ER? Isin't the gripe that QFi's cost base is way to high viz their Asian and Middle Eastern competitors?

How long do you think QF will have before they decide to can the SYD - DFW non-stop route?

 

[Bundy Bear]

Sydney to Dallas is Qantas hub to American Airlines hub, so there is zero chance of the flight ever being canceled, it offers so many one stop destinations to the Americas.

I will always try and fly to LAX for the extra SCs but if you need to be somewhere in a hurry SYD-DFW is your best choice.

 

[straitman]

So SYD - DFW will soon be the world's longest route given that SQ will no longer operate SIN - EWR and SIN - LAX direct in their A345. Talk was those non-stop routes were not particularly profitable (in 3 class AND in their all C/J class).

Why do we think that the economics are any better for QF on a SYD - DFW in a 747ER? Isin't the gripe that QFi's cost base is way to high viz their Asian and Middle Eastern competitors?

How long do you think QF will have before they decide to can the SYD - DFW non-stop route?

Different aircraft are better in different situations. One point I would consider is that the A345 are gradually disappearing off the maps due to their operating costs.

Does Qantas make a profit on these runs? I believe so and I believe that would partially be the relative operating costs of the aircraft before the other overheads are considered.

Other thoughts?




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[ChrisFlyer]

I believe QF is on the record somewhere as saying that the DFW service is one of their most profitable int'l routes (thus the expansion from 4(?) times weekly to daily). I would be *very* surprised to see this route cut - particularly as there have been rumours that it will eventually switch to an A380 (instead of a 789 should QF take their 789 options).


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[Paddy55]

I would have thought expanding services to DFW would make quite a bit of sense... Maybe BNE-DFW next?
Understand loads are consistently 90%
Would much prefer entering LOTFAP in DFW than LAX... Only JFK is worse in my opinion.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The747 is no A345. Qantas started this route relatively recently when fuel prices were already high.... they have done their sums.

 

[richie9x]

From what I have heard it has been successful. As long as nothing major changes I would expect it to keep going, at least for the foreseeable future.

Of course the 747-400ERs will have to be retired one day. Could an A380 do the flight? Of course if the 787-900 lives up to its spec sheet and if Qantas turn their options on the planes back into real orders, then it would seem like a good replacement.

The other variable is the cost of fuel. Which seems stable for the moment at least.

 

[madrooster]

Could an A380 do the flight?

The A380 could likely do DFW-SYD to boot... QF just don't have enough of them.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Could see this becoming an A380 route if the aircraft capacity became available.

Will never be canned, it's very profitable. Matter of time until it becomes an F route somehow.

 

[yohy?!]

I imagine that the subsidies from DFW for QF to operate there are helping it to be more profitable at present, I believe they have gotten some landing fees either reduced or waived for a number of years.

Can't imagine all the fuel diversions are doing much to keep costs down! (Or leaving people's luggage behind or flying planes well below capacity on the way back).

 

[ajw373]

I believe QF is on the record somewhere as saying that the DFW service is one of their most profitable int'l routes (thus the expansion from 4(?) times weekly to daily). I would be *very* surprised to see this route cut - particularly as there have been rumours that it will eventually switch to an A380 (instead of a 789 should QF take their 789 options).

I've said it before but the Dreamliner is not the answer to every single route. Yes it has range for SYD-DFW and back again but it is a small a/c. Imagine wow many seats it would have in a 3 class Qantas config and then how many crew it would take to fly these very long haul flights. Even with the fuel savings the Dreamliner gives it doesn't make for good operating costs compared to the larger A380's and 747's due to it being so small.

 

[VHOEJ]

Move the A380 from HKG to DFW if it has the range.

 

[UP4014]

Wish they would buy a some new 747's.

 

[serfty]

Could see this becoming an A380 route if the aircraft capacity became available.

Will never be canned, it's very profitable. Matter of time until it becomes an F route somehow.

It's unlikely to become an F route - remember, the remaining ordered 388's for QF are to be configured with a three class layout.

 

[smatho10]

Just got off the DFW-BNE Qf8 3 hours ago.. Apart from being dark the whole way, there was only 15 odd seats in Y left down the back.. I'd say its doing well.. DFW is a nice airport better than LAX.. Thanks for the row 70 recommendations too!! Although its noisy compared to a380!!

 

[Limewood]

Did DFW/BNE Aug. last in J, plane was near full, I too don't think it will ever be canned.

 

[grussellt]

Sydney to Dallas is Qantas hub to American Airlines hub, so there is zero chance of the flight ever being canceled, it offers so many one stop destinations to the Americas.

I will always try and fly to LAX for the extra SCs but if you need to be somewhere in a hurry SYD-DFW is your best choice.

DFW also offers one-stop routes to Europe including CDG, FRA and MAD. Depending on the time spent in transit in LHR it's often a similar travelling time. It's also now fewer points on a QF award (64000 in Y) versus 74000 including a BA segment in Europe if you travel via Asia. Now if only AA would add US transit as a route from South Pacific to Europe we'd all have a lot more choice!

 

[ajw373]

DFW also offers one-stop routes to Europe including CDG, FRA and MAD. Depending on the time spent in transit in LHR it's often a similar travelling time. It's also now fewer points on a QF award (64000 in Y) versus 74000 including a BA segment in Europe if you travel via Asia. Now if only AA would add US transit as a route from South Pacific to Europe we'd all have a lot more choice!

Of course the disadvantage of changing to another international flight out of DFW is you need to enter the US, so that means a visa (or their electronic version which now costs money), plus waiting time in immigration etc. And then get on an AA international flight which isn't much chop, well down the back anyway.

 

[Limewood]

Yes but DFW is a real nice modern airport and the immigration customs people seemed very efficient to us (unlike LAX), went through real quick.

 

[straitman]

The A380 could likely do DFW-SYD to boot... QF just don't have enough of them.

Could see this becoming an A380 route if the aircraft capacity became available.

Will never be canned, it's very profitable. Matter of time until it becomes an F route somehow.

I can't.

The 380 is not very economic on very long legs. You get to the point of carrying fuel so you can burn fuel :!: