Where will you go first when the bans are lifted?

[lovetravellingoz]

Great post, but say a vaccine is available in 12 to 18 months after rigorous testing and endorsement by Therapeutic Goods Administration in Oz and similar regulators overseas, wouldn't it mean if we were vaccinated that whether residents of 'poorer' countries weren't wouldn't really matter to us?

I would note:

• The sheer volume of people to be vaccinated will mean that it takes a while
• The vaccine is not likely be 100% effective. ie It is not for flu vaccines
• That even with the vaccine that the mortality rate may still remain higher than for the flu as it more aggressive in what it does. And it is not just the mortality rate as about 15-20% evidently suffer long-terms lung damage.

So I personally would not be visiting a country that did not have have CV 19 under control, whether I am vaccinated or not. That would include the USA and Italy at present.


With respect to poorer countries:
Widespread ripping through their communities is likely to leave them in a parlous state. You may wish to visit, they may want the $$, but the capability to actually be a tourist in such countries would be doubtful. Emotionally I doubt that I would be up to it and I am a traveller that has in the main visited third world destinations.

 

[Matt_01]

You are certainly lot more optimistic that I am. I dearly hope that your optimism is well placed and my pessimism is misplaced.

By the time the global SARS outbreak was contained, the virus spread to over 8,000 people worldwide and killed almost 800........

This is not the first epidemic that the world has faced in modern time SARS was just one. If we go back to the 80's HIV was also an issue and was also was going to end the world. The WHO website indicates that HIV has infected more than 75M people and around 32M people have died from this virus yet we are still here.

This was one of the ads that used to be played on the TV. (Found on YouTube)

 

[cove]

I will be happy to get out of our home even if it is just to catch up with friends around PERTH . We will never go to Bali because we lost two young footy player friends in the Bali bombing.
it will be some time for Melbourne, Sydney, Los Angeles or London are back for safe visits.

 

[Scarlett]

Well to answer the question properly I'll need to know:
1. Which airlines have survived.
2. Which routes the surviving airlines are flying.

Then it'll be a case of burning the travel credits armed with the knowledge above.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

This is not the first epidemic that the world has faced in modern time SARS was just one. If we go back to the 80's HIV was also an issue and was also was going to end the world. The WHO website indicates that HIV has infected more than 75M people and around 32M people have died from this virus yet we are still here.

This was one of the ads that used to be played on the TV. (Found on YouTube)

That is an escalation. End the world ? When did I say or imply that? The discussion was on international leisurel travel.

Mortality could well be be say 0.5-1% of total infections. This is not anywhere near end of the wold stuff, BUT it will I believe greatly impair the ability for leisure travel internationally till some time AFTER a vaccine has been deployed widely.

Apart from you the traveller the various governments will not want to risk repeat waves of CV 19.

And clearly HIV is a problem, but HIV is easily avoided and is not a problem for travellers.

 

[sinophile888]

My first, second, third,........, trip would be to Melbourne. I have visited my baby granddaughter every couple of months since she was born. She was bringing her parents over here next month and we were booked to go to Melbourne in July. Whatsapp is fine but I want to hug her.

 

[oz_mark]

Well to answer the question properly I'll need to know:
1. Which airlines have survived.
2. Which routes the surviving airlines are flying.

Have to agree, I think there will be a staged re-introducton of travel. I will wait and see what is available to where before I decide. I think it wll be a while before we can just go anywhere we choose.

 

[jb747]

I am very pessimistic about the effect this will have on the airlines. Most will be in government hands, or not exist, well before this virus is properly controlled. My guess is that it will take in the order of 4-5 years before aviation looks even vaguely like it did last year.

Sadly, I’m currently seeing a lot of pictures from my friends, taken in the coughpit, on what is their last flight before they are stood down. Unsaid, is the thought that these images are the last time they’ll be in a coughpit.

 

[Obi-run Kenobi]

Hoping to do New Zealand south island in the warmer months, then Singapore and Japan next year.

Would love to test out VA's new BNE > HND slot if VA isn't entirely reduced to ashes at the end of this.

Agree with previous posts that future travel won't be as easy as simply turning the power back on, however.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Hoping to do New Zealand south island in the warmer months,

New Zealand are going for eradication of Covid 19.

What this also means is that without a vaccine that they will have a very vulnerable population until a vaccine is deployed as they will have hardly any CV 19 recovered people to keep things running.

While I believe that virtually all countries will have closed borders for a long, log time, New Zealand will remain rigidly shut.

Countries who are "flattening the curve" are slowly exposing their population to CV 19. (Not saying our approach is better, as we had already gone past the stage where we could go the NZ path).

 

[Obi-run Kenobi]

New Zealand are going for eradication of Covid 19.

Absolutely. I may very well be aiming for the warmer months of 2025/2026

 

[coyote25]

After travelling every year since 2015 and using most of my leave and a lot of my points I planned a hiatus to restore both.

I was planning for a 2022 big trip starting with Trans-Mongolian journey and then onto a Five Stans of the Silk Road Tour (Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan) the latter based on trip report on AFF.

Looks like I got extremely lucky after completing a Colombia trip late last year.

Can’t help but feel for those tapped overseas or having the once in a lifetime trips go up in smoke. Yes more serious things, living comes first, but depressing if you planned for years and it is just gone.

Damn I’ve been lucky with world travel over the years.

 

[Matt_01]

That is an escalation. End the world ? When did I say or imply that?

You didn't, it was myself in an earlier thread when I mentioned I think this virus is a hiccup on the radar, a reference to SARS and everyone thought the world would end, post #16. I get that HIV is very different but looking at the old TV commercial HIV was not stopped it would kill more Australians than WW2, to me that is sensationalising the situation at the time. From memory at that time the world was also going to end.

Maybe I misunderstood one of your earlier postS, the virus is a problem, but I am a bit over hearing about it, all the so called experts, media reports etc. It certainly annoys me when I read about people who still go out when they are meant to be in quarantine, others deliberately coughing on other people or on food (reported in the US) or the decision in Queensland to continue with an election when the place is in lockdown. However I am well OT.

Back on topic, 2020 was a year to burn a significant number of points, unfortunately these are coming back quicker than it took me to use them. Things will be different in the future and people have short memories and will start travelling again. I would like to see some normalcy return sooner rather than later, like many others I am going a little stir crazy.

 

[Cossie]

This year may be good in a way, my obsession with status will hopefully stop, I'll be prepared for us to travel in a lower class, I'll try not to go to so many rallies and go to some of the places that I've really want too, as per above, the Stans, more Africa, more eastern Europe, sigh!
First of all we have to tame this beast.

 

[Flashback]

Wow! Really?? where is best in Europe for some snow in Dec , pls advise

Lapland should be a surefire way to experience it.

I will be happy to get out of our home even if it is just to catch up with friends around PERTH . We will never go to Bali because we lost two young footy player friends in the Bali bombing.
it will be some time for Melbourne, Sydney, Los Angeles or London are back for safe visits.

Based on current trends in London I don't think that will be any time soon....

This year may be good in a way, my obsession with status will hopefully stop, I'll be prepared for us to travel in a lower class, I'll try not to go to so many rallies and go to some of the places that I've really want too, as per above, the Stans, more Africa, more eastern Europe, sigh!
First of all we have to tame this beast.

With most status being extended by a year, don't worry, you'll still have the obsession

 

[MikeG]

We had a once in a lifetime circumnavigation of the globe flight (I know people don't like us saying RTW flight unless it is one) purchased with frequent flyer points, which we are going to have to cancel, so once the ban is lifted, I was hoping to re-book that holiday but maybe a little differently.

a) Not via HK this time
b) only a short stay in the USA - a week at most rather than doing multiple cities over three weeks
c) visiting south America and possibly doing a (camera) safari in Africa somewhere

But sadly I think its going to take quite a while for Oneworld redemptions to be a thing again - unless I book now for next year...

What do you think?

 

[Cappuccino99]

This situation has made me seriously rethink my location being so far away from my family in the UK. As soon as it's safe to travel again, I'm going to fly around Australia saying goodbye to my friends, to NZ to say goodbye to my friends there, and then relocate back to the UK to be near my family. I love living in Australia, but I love my family more!

 

[Princess Fiona]

I have always wanted to do a girls trip with my daughters to Hawaii. The boys didn’t want to go and for various reasons we never did get there (I have been a few times alone).
So once we are through this we will book a trip there.
I love the thrill of take-off and seeing clouds in cruise. It never gets old for me no matter how many flights I have been on.
I’m looking forward to experiencing this again and being truly grateful to be there.

 

[AIRwin]

I have always wanted to do a girls trip with my daughters to Hawaii.

Not a hotel but an art museum in case you're into it:

Home – Shangri La

Shangri La is a museum for learning about the global cultures of Islamic art and design through exhibitions, digital and educational initiatives, public tours and programs, and community partnerships.

www.shangrilahawaii.org

 

[Tiki]

With no certainty of when the bans will be lifted, but looking at a QF birthday hotel voucher expiring today I optimistically used it on a cheap hotel in Yalova, Turkey near the hot springs in October. Use it or lose it. It the bans are lifted, I will go. Not just Yalova, I also am eyeing the Black Sea coast and Amasya, Van, eastern Turkey.

If I still am not allowed to travel out of Australia, maybe by then Turkish friends can at least travel (they are also banned from leaving their homes except to work/shop/medical/etc) they can use it. Fingers crossed!