Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[GoldCanyon340]

There will not be a safe vaccine by September or even by 3rd November (relevant date for the Very Stable Genius).

I'm sure we all saw or heard people call for business to refuse people who did not download the CovidSafe app only to see how that was a non-starter. In the same vein I, personally, cannot see countries making having this vaccination a requirement for entry. If a country does make it mandatory for international arrivals to be vaccinated would that by implication make it mandatory for all resident citizens of that country to be vaccinated as well?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

There will not be a safe vaccine by September or even by 3rd November (relevant date for the Very Stable Genius).

I'm sure we all saw or heard people call for business to refuse people who did not download the CovidSafe app only to see how that was a non-starter. In the same vein I, personally, cannot see countries making having this vaccination a requirement for entry.

I have visted a number of countries where I had to have particular vaccinations.

If a country does make it mandatory for international arrivals to be vaccinated would that by implication make it mandatory for all resident citizens of that country to be vaccinated as well?

Why?

Take NZ. CV free. If flights opened from the USA letting in passengers with no vaccine and no 14 day quarantine it would put their whole population at risk. If people want to avoid the quarantine they will need to vaccinate.

Now yes it is desirable that a country vaccinates its population, but this will take time.

If you want to wait to wait till every person in a country is vaccinated (and some cannot be for medical reasons, cancer patients, babies etc) then that will wipe out all travel for many years as it is going to take a while to vaccinate billions.


Note that Australia has been paying for the quarantine costs of people entering Australia. This will not continue. Some time in the future the quarantine cost will have to be met by the person travelling.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

There will not be a safe vaccine by September or even by 3rd November (relevant date for the Very Stable Genius).

I'm sure we all saw or heard people call for business to refuse people who did not download the CovidSafe app only to see how that was a non-starter. In the same vein I, personally, cannot see countries making having this vaccination a requirement for entry. If a country does make it mandatory for international arrivals to be vaccinated would that by implication make it mandatory for all resident citizens of that country to be vaccinated as well?

Not at all. People have to carry around their little yellow vaccination book now with evidence of vaccines before entering certain countries (yellow fever for example). This doesn't mean everyone in the country you are seeking entry to has to have been vaccinated.

I could see an example where Australia demands all arrivals to prove vaccination against COVID before entry. But they can't force all Aussies to have it.

As for the timing of the vaccine - I don't think anyone is going out booking non-refundable travel based on a vaccine. So if it comes by Seoptember, great, if it doesn't, well, nothing lost.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I could see an example where Australia demands all arrivals to prove vaccination against COVID before entry. But they can't force all Aussies to have it.

My guess is that Border Control will place the onus on the airlines to check that anyone coming to Australia has what is required. A vaccination certificate will just be added to the current check of a valid passport and visa checking (depends on country the person comes from, as some do not need visas). If anyone arrives without one the airline will then have to fly them back at their cost.

I know in my travels that sometimes I have also had to prove that I had a departing airfare. and not just one too the country.

 

[Himeno]

I don't see any vaccine being ready in Sep or Oct. A vaccine needs to clear stage 3 trials first, as far as I know, none are yet in stage 3. Sep/Oct are when a few of those currently in stage 2 are expected to enter stage 3.
Assuming no major problems during testing, we're looking at March before there is a working, cleared, vaccine.

I'll be lining up to get one as soon as a working vaccine is ready, assuming they are even available.

I only just got a flu shot almost 2 weeks ago, after looking for somewhere that I could get to that had any in stock for almost 3 months. Only got it because work was paying. On the other hand, I've never (as far as I'm aware) had any type of influenza.
It was the first vaccination I'd gotten since the last shot they give (almost) everyone in high school.
I've been considering getting an MMR booster, since again, haven't had an MMR shot in around 23 years and the anti vax nutcases have been causing measles outbreaks in a number of places around the world (some of which I like to travel to).

I would think that once a usable SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is available, they are going to implement it for travel use much like the Yellow Fever vaccine.

 

[Matt_01]

When a vaccine is approved and available I will have no hesitation in getting jabbed. I have an ongoing and current ICV that has been transcribed (to new books) and updated by various doctors as it is a record of all my vaccinations since 1989. It also records my less common jabs such as Japanese encephalitis, rabies and is a document that I carry with me on all my travels. My mother always said prevention is better than cure.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I’ll be having it once it’s available ie has gone through all relevant safety checks and is approved by the TGA. I would imagine that similar to Flu Vax it will be a requirement of my employment. I have no issues with that.

 

[Mattg]

If there is a safe vaccine then of course I would get it. I'm surprised this is even a question.

(I don't expect one to be widely available by the end of this year, however.)

 

[Virgin Bart]

Whilst I don't think it will be available this year I'll be trying to get the vaccine for my family and I as soon as possible.

 

[Anna]

I interpreted the OP's question as being who will rush to get a vaccine as soon as it comes out even if its approval process seems a bit dodgy, not who will get a properly approved vaccine which might take longer.

I'm interested in the new 'conoravirus' from the thread title though. Possibly some secret anti vaxxer code?

I looked up countries that 'require' yellow fever vax as opposed to 'recommending' it. It's a surprisingly short list of 17 African countries that I doubt would be on many people's holiday itineraries. (Central African Republic anyone? I'm surprised it even has a government, let alone one that requires vaccinations). I could only find a list of what is 'required' for US travellers, so I guess what is 'required' may depend on where you come from. The CDC says 'In most circumstances, yellow fever is the only vaccine required by certain countries. Keep in mind that yellow fever vaccine can be recommended by CDC to protect your health, as well as required by a country. CDC’s recommendation is different from the country’s requirement.' Yellow Fever Vaccine Recommendations

Australia says 'entry to Australia will not be refused on the basis of non-compliance with yellow fever monitoring and control requirements'. Having accidentally once been to Brazil without a yellow fever vax I can confirm that's true but I did have to answer lots of questions on return. https://www1.health.gov.au/internet...ubhlth-strateg-communic-factsheets-yellow.htm

My TLDR point is I wonder if the covid19 vaccine will be 'required' for travel when/if it comes out, as opposed to 'recommended'.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

My TLDR point is I wonder if the covid19 vaccine will be 'required' for travel when/if it comes out, as opposed to 'recommended'.

Of course it could be. I guess it will be an economic decision - balancing tourism and trade against potential costs to the health care system. Some countries may benefot from not demanding a CV vaccine, but then other tourists may [refer to visit a country where the vaccine is mandatory.

 

[DC3]

.... I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

The “bubbles” are just speculation at the moment. They may or may not happen.

Not much chance of new overseas travel insurance policies covering COVID (for a reasonable price, if at all). So, without the vax, where would the OP consider travelling?

 

[oz_mark]

I'm sure I will get the vaccine. I just don't expect it anytime soon.

 

[Gremlin]

My TLDR point is I wonder if the covid19 vaccine will be 'required' for travel when/if it comes out, as opposed to 'recommended'.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's both an ENTRY and EXIT requirement for Australia once there is a safe and accessible vaccine readily available.

 

[DC3]

.... Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again ....

Queensland's Chief Health Officer defends isolation period for overseas arrivals as Government targets elective surgery waitlist - ABC News:

“. ,,,, a 30-year-old man diagnosed on Saturday who had arrived from overseas and been quarantined in Perth before travelling to Caloundra, and a two-year-old boy diagnosed on Friday whose family had returned from Pakistan ...

 

[p--and--t]

Queensland's Chief Health Officer defends isolation period for overseas arrivals as Government targets elective surgery waitlist - ABC News:

“. ,,,, a 30-year-old man diagnosed on Saturday who had arrived from overseas and been quarantined in Perth before travelling to Caloundra, and a two-year-old boy diagnosed on Friday whose family had returned from Pakistan ...

Yep and 601 people aged 18 - 44 have died from Covid-19 in New York alone in the last few weeks. And that doesn't count those who got desperately sick and may take months or years to recover.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's both an ENTRY and EXIT requirement for Australia once there is a safe and accessible vaccine readily available.

Would be interesting if made an entry requirement for citizens. It would mean you cannot enter the country if you may have Covid but you can enter the country if you have tuberculosis.

 

[NSun]

Personally I would get a COVID-19 vaccine. Although I have no objections to getting such a vaccine personally even if I was against vaccines I'd have no choice but to get it. While there might be a "grace period" it will likely be a requirement for many things such as travelling and taking jobs.

Would be interesting if made an entry requirement for citizens. It would mean you cannot enter the country if you may have Covid but you can enter the country if you have tuberculosis.

I believe if there is a COVID vaccine it will be a requirement for non-Australian citizens considering it is an imported disease and even with 14 day hotel quarantine it still is our biggest source of cases. It is not unprecedented to require a vaccine for entry, it's just that it's rare other than for yellow fever.

As for citizens, that's another question because they can't deny them entry. But one possibility is that they may not be able to go overseas in the first place, this might be mandated by the government or otherwise by airlines. They also may have facilities on arrival for their own citizens.

 

[Gremlin]

As for citizens, that's another question because they can't deny them entry. But one possibility is that they may not be able to go overseas in the first place, this might be mandated by the government or otherwise by airlines. They also may have facilities on arrival for their own citizens.

Yes. This is what I meant above. For non-citizens, proof of vaccine to enter, for citizens, proof of vaccine to leave. Obviously speculation on my part but it wouldn't surprise me...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes. This is what I meant above. For non-citizens, proof of vaccine to enter, for citizens, proof of vaccine to leave. Obviously speculation on my part but it wouldn't surprise me...

There is a vaccine for tuberculosis but AFAIK there's no requirement for an Aussie citizen to have it before being allowed to travel. Or the flu vaccine - which is possibly more topical (given you could return with the flu and infect many others).

Australia has limited powers to prevent people from leaving, i wonder if they would extend that to include a CV vaccine?