Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[equus]

reduce the severity of the disease to existing patients to just a flu

You do realise that ""just a flu" kills people every year?

902 people died of Influenza in 2019, according to https://www.immunisationcoalition.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1-Barr-ASM-2020-presentation.pdf

So far, in 2020, the COVID-19 death toll stands at 102.

 

[Archphoto]

Yet having said that there's been reports that Coronavirus vaccine may only reduce the severity of the disease, not to prevent it:

The first COVID-19 vaccines may not prevent infection with coronavirus

Desperation for a way to keep economies from collapsing under the weight of COVID-19 could mean settling for a vaccine that prevents people from getting really sick or dying but doesn't stop them from catching the coronavirus.

www.smh.com.au

Do you think this is enough for us to resume travel without a preventative vaccine, but a vaccine which reduces the severity of the disease?

The flu shot doesn't necessarily mean you won't get the flu, just that it's less severe if you do. Additionally, I believe the flu strain is different every year - just because I got the jab this year, doesn't mean I'm protected next year, hence the push for people to get vaccinated every year.

According to the Health Direct site (Why Bother Getting the Flu Jab?) 4-5/10 people will get the flu even if they are vaccinated, ". . . some people may still catch the virus after having the flu shot, but the risk of illness is still reduced." Therefore, if we are willing to travel while only getting a flu shot that won't necessarily protect everyone, why would we treat the Covid-19 vaccine differently?

If it reduces the "reduces the risk of illness", and if that is all they can come up with, it's fine for my circumstances. We haven't been able to cure the "common cold" either, and we certainly haven't found a "cure" for the flu, but that hasn't stopped the world from travelling. Having a vaccine that reduces the severity will have a huge impact not only on travel but upon the economies of the world as well.

It could be argued that if it was decided to wait until a cure was found, before allowing travel and the opening of state/international borders, chances are the economic result worldwide, could possibly make the Wall Street Crash of 1929 (and the Great Depression that followed) look like a party by comparison.

As always YMMV.

 

[rogerkambah]

My issue is that I have never had a flu shot. I don’t get the flu. Although I have had a the occasional cold. My mum is 86 never had a cold or flu in her life. Likewise my sister. I guess they are blessed with good genes.
My defence against colds and flu may not be as robust as theirs. So the Covid thing “may” be another version Of the flu shot and so my “potential “ immunity/ resistance may be a foregone conclusion.
i just don’t know enough about it yet.
I guess I will see what happens when the time comes and take professional advice

Perhaps you have a very well developed immune system?

I have been retired for 8 years and in that time have not suffered colds or flue, and I can't remember having a cold for at least 10 years (memory is a bit hazy before that), although I did manage to contract a small dose of cancer 4+ years ago.
My doc has given up asking me whether I want a flu jab as I've always declined.

Edit: However in response to the question that this thread asks, I probably would have a vaccine for covid 19.

 

[mrsterryn]

Having had a new baby vaccination (cannot remember what vaccinations were in the jab ) for grandson a couple of years ago I do wonder if covid may be one of those vaccinations as well e.g you want to visit new baby you get the jab
Overseas travel , due to insurance costs , may be off the cards for us however due to the possibility severity of this condition I think we would take up the vaccine at some point .

 

[moa999]

Anti-vaxers will twist the truth to support their argument. Take this letter which has apparently been doing the rounds in anti-vaxer groups.

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I'll leave you to think about why that letter is pointless.

As I mentioned.

 

[Princess Fiona]

As I mentioned.

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That Facebook page is absolutely chock full of every crank on Social Media.
People who take medical advice from a Chef.
I periodically look at it and weep for humanity.

 

[p--and--t]

As I mentioned.

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A total crackpot. I think he has lost his marbles along the way.

Recently got fined twice for promulgating crackpot ideas and selling expensive ($15,000) do nothing machines supposedly to fight covid with some magnetism and light treatment.

 

[moa999]

902 people died of Influenza in 2019, according
...
So far, in 2020, the COVID-19 death toll stands at 102.

Because Australia has thankfully managed to mostly stop Covid-19.

Look at the US - flu averages 15k a year under most measures (about the same rate per pop as us)
US traffic deaths 35-40k
Firearm deaths 35-40k (about 60% suicides)

Covid is now 115k and growing at 3-4k a week.

 

[OATEK]

Vaccines are risk and reward issues, like so many aspects of living. Life is full of risks, some of which we carefully assess, and others we meet blindly head on. In the case of a vaccine for Covid-19 I see the rewards vastly outweighing the risk.

As for the conspiracy theories of Evans and the like, it seems a sign of the times. In the absence of the sorts of threats of earlier generations (world war, the mass murder of the various "isms", the cold war/atomic bombs etc, some sit around "gaming" conspiracies. Sad really....

 

[Princess Fiona]

Because Australia has thankfully managed to mostly stop Covid-19.

Look at the US - flu averages 15k a year under most measures (about the same rate per pop as us)
US traffic deaths 35-40k
Firearm deaths 35-40k (about 60% suicides)

Covid is now 115k and growing at 3-4k a week.

You do realise that ""just a flu" kills people every year?

902 people died of Influenza in 2019, according to https://www.immunisationcoalition.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1-Barr-ASM-2020-presentation.pdf

So far, in 2020, the COVID-19 death toll stands at 102.

The latest UK registry ICU data has been published.
From 1st March until early June there has been 9777 people admitted to ICU in England and Wales due to COVID-19. About 40% of them died overall, rising to 50% if they required mechanical ventilation.
In comparison in the three year period from January 1st 2017 until Dec 31st 2019 there were 5782 people admitted to ICU with Viral Pneumonia / Flu. 21% of those patients died.
Lots more data to come out from this but make no mistake, this is far from the Flu and Australia is fortunate in having squashed it so far.

Covid-19 In Critical Care

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The latest UK registry ICU data has been published.
From 1st March until early June there has been 9777 people admitted to ICU in England and Wales due to COVID-19. About 40% of them died overall, rising to 50% if they required mechanical ventilation.

I agree on the flu, but an interesting thing from that statistic is how many are dying from Covid 19, but who are not dying in the ICU. 41,969 deaths to date in the UK, but from above, which admittedly is just England and Wales, Covid 19 deaths in ICU is about 4500. Now aged care has seen many in the UK dying there, but where are all the other deaths occurring?

 

[Princess Fiona]

I agree on the flu, but an interesting thing from that statistic is how many are dying from Covid 19, but who are not dying in the ICU. 41,969 deaths to date in the UK, but from above, which admittedly is just England and Wales, Covid 19 deaths in ICU is about 4500. Now aged care has seen many in the UK dying there, but where are all the other deaths occurring?

The deaths were mostly in hospital

ONS Data

 

[tomlee1986]

I am willing to vaccinate with 1 condition... that it is proven safe to humans and had a few taken this vaccine first... I would not be the first to vaccinate, but am willing to do so after the initial rounds of vaccination

 

[angella44]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

Your points are well made, but the point of vaccines is to protect others around you, and some of them may be vulnerable.

 

[flyinpod]

One of the issues we have here is that we have few cases to trial and test ourselves. We have a friend in the UK who signed up to be a "guinea pig" for the vaccine. He went through two rounds of test, first lot he cleared. Second lot of tests, he got a "NO, sorry you cant volunteer because you have had it!" Obviously one of the sneaky asymptomatics. Ill be getting the vaccine, i wouldn't want to risk passing it on to someone vulnerable.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The deaths were mostly in hospital

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Thank you.

So from that it would seem that many seriously ill Covid 19 patients are not in ICU which is to me a little surprising. Perhaps the UK had dedicated Covid 19 Wards that are not ICU?

 

[itchy feet]

Asymptomatic = carrier. If a proven effective vaccine is available, why would one choose not to have it?? If one is not "bothered" about one's own health, please consider reducing the harm to the rest of the community. As others have said, we've had recurrence of diseases such as measles and whooping cough because too many people choose not to vaccinate. Have they seen the result of measles? Have they experienced nursing a child with whooping cough? I think not.

 

[oz_mark]

Lots more data to come out from this but make no mistake, this is far from the Flu and Australia is fortunate in having squashed it so far.

It certainly seems, based on my reading, that this is much more than a respiratory disease. e.g. it seems to have vascular effects in some.

 

[egeaher]

If the vaccine will be required for travel... i will be first in line to sign up.

 

[drron]

Thank you.

So from that it would seem that many seriously ill Covid 19 patients are not in ICU which is to me a little surprising. Perhaps the UK had dedicated Covid 19 Wards that are not ICU?

Also remember people who have serious co morbidities usually do not get into an ICU.Look at the number who died in a hospice-640.Now in the 2017 flu season I know that at least some who died in a hospice or palliative care unit who tested positive for flu were not counted as a flu death.
Indeed look at the Blackwater case in QLD-the CHO announced the fellow was going to be counted as a covid death before a post mortem study was done.