Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[JohnPhelan]

Also remember people who have serious co morbidities usually do not get into an ICU.Look at the number who died in a hospice-640.Now in the 2017 flu season I know that at least some who died in a hospice or palliative care unit who tested positive for flu were not counted as a flu death.
Indeed look at the Blackwater case in QLD-the CHO announced the fellow was going to be counted as a covid death before a post mortem study was done.

Yes, exactly. And then, of course, they discovered he didn't have it at all!

But it's a very valid point - we shouldn't be counting as "COVID fatality" someone who dies of another cause, but just happens to have COVID-19 as well. The COVID figure should be just those whose death was as a result of their COVID infection, such as pneumonia etc.

 

[KitKat]

When we were doubling our cases every 2-3 days in March....... I felt then that I would have a 30-50% chance of getting it despite PPE and a 2-3% chance of dying due to exposure at work....seeing what was happening elsewhere around the world
Yeah, just resigned myself to that's what I signed up for
So I'll probably sign up for a vaccine ....... someone's gotta do it...

 

[Happy Dude]

I'll sign up for it. Heck, I hope they make a over the counter chewable form that can be added to my cereal, little bags of trail mix my wife gives me and any well appointed nibbles platter. But which wine to match?

 

[Pushka]

It certainly seems, based on my reading, that this is much more than a respiratory disease. e.g. it seems to have vascular effects in some.

When something does weird things to the immune system, then anything is up for grabs. Lupus, for instance, an auto immune condition, attacks joints, blood, kidneys, skin, lungs, brain. Pretty much everything. Luckily mine is limited to joints and blood. That's bad enough.

 

[oz_mark]

But it's a very valid point - we shouldn't be counting as "COVID fatality" someone who dies of another cause, but just happens to have COVID-19 as well. The COVID figure should be just those whose death was as a result of their COVID infection, such as pneumonia etc.

There seems to be a range of errors in both directions. On the one hand there are those that died with it, rather than from it. On the other, there are some countries that are only counting deaths in hospital, and so on.

Some of the statistcs on 'excess deaths' are interesting, as they seem to suggest some countries are undercounting.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Yes, exactly. And then, of course, they discovered he didn't have it at all!

But it's a very valid point - we shouldn't be counting as "COVID fatality" someone who dies of another cause, but just happens to have COVID-19 as well. The COVID figure should be just those whose death was as a result of their COVID infection, such as pneumonia etc.

Those in that report were admitted to ICU due to COVID-19. They were leading independent lives prior to this. 40% of them died of COVID-19. Many arguments can be made either way about under-reporting or over-reporting.
For now we can only go on the data published and it’s pretty clear that in no way is this like the Flu.

 

[CityRail]

Survey shows Aussies reluctant to get COVID-19 vaccination

Only 68 per cent of Australians say they would get a COVID-19 shot if a vaccine became available, a new survey has found.

www.news.com.au

News Limited actually asked my question and only 68% said yes!

 

[davidj]

Survey shows Aussies reluctant to get COVID-19 vaccination

Only 68 per cent of Australians say they would get a COVID-19 shot if a vaccine became available, a new survey has found.

www.news.com.au

News Limited actually asked my question and only 68% said yes!

Which could be enough to reduce transmission to zero and eradicate the illness altogether.

 

[drron]

There seems to be a range of errors in both directions. On the one hand there are those that died with it, rather than from it. On the other, there are some countries that are only counting deaths in hospital, and so on.

Some of the statistcs on 'excess deaths' are interesting, as they seem to suggest some countries are undercounting.

Though it is quite possible some of the excess deaths are caused by the lockdown and are not deaths due to Covid.
The suspension of all elective surgery has definitely led to some dying unnecessarily.There have already been excess suicides.I know some journalists have been pushing the line that excess deaths are obviously due to Covid but that is way too simplistic.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Though it is quite possible some of the excess deaths are caused by the lockdown and are not deaths due to Covid.
The suspension of all elective surgery has definitely led to some dying unnecessarily.There have already been excess suicides.I know some journalists have been pushing the line that excess deaths are obviously due to Covid but that is way too simplistic.

It is a tragic outcome. The suicide rate was already projected to increase, well before CV19 was even known about: Australia's suicide rate to rise 40% if emerging risks such as debt not tackled. Corona may bring forward that trajectory.

Japan appears to have reported the opposite - a significant fall in their suicide rate, due to reduced pressures of work, and spending more time at home.

 

[oz_mark]

Though it is quite possible some of the excess deaths are caused by the lockdown and are not deaths due to Covid.
The suspension of all elective surgery has definitely led to some dying unnecessarily.There have already been excess suicides.I know some journalists have been pushing the line that excess deaths are obviously due to Covid but that is way too simplistic.

I am aware - one article I read went into some detail about some deaths being Covid deaths, and that there would be a variety of deaths related to the pandemic response (e.g. delaying procedures, etc.), although that was counterbalanced by factors such as the road toll going down.
I imagine it's going to take a while for the data crunchers to untangle it all.

 

[jakeseven7]

Survey shows Aussies reluctant to get COVID-19 vaccination

Only 68 per cent of Australians say they would get a COVID-19 shot if a vaccine became available, a new survey has found.

www.news.com.au

News Limited actually asked my question and only 68% said yes!

Clearly a lot of Byron Bay and Regional NSW towns responded

 

[drron]

It is a tragic outcome. The suicide rate was already projected to increase, well before CV19 was even known about: Australia's suicide rate to rise 40% if emerging risks such as debt not tackled. Corona may bring forward that trajectory.

Japan appears to have reported the opposite - a significant fall in their suicide rate, due to reduced pressures of work, and spending more time at home.

Virtually all groups involved in depression research or help are predicting an increase of 50% in suicide over at least 5 years due to the effects of lockdowns.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Virtually all groups involved in depression research or help are predicting an increase of 50% in suicide over at least 5 years due to the effects of lockdowns.

Every suicide is tragic. Not detracting from that in any way, the percentage numbers need context and analysis. There was already a 40% increase predicted, pre covid. What are the actual numbers meant with a 50% increase? Is that over and above the 40%? Or is it taking the baseline into account? What does that translate to in actual numbers? And how do those actual numbers compare to lives saved through the lockdown?

 

[Gremlin]

Survey shows Aussies reluctant to get COVID-19 vaccination

Only 68 per cent of Australians say they would get a COVID-19 shot if a vaccine became available, a new survey has found.

www.news.com.au

News Limited actually asked my question and only 68% said yes!

Ummm, no.

It was an online survey by Finder. Hardly known as a bastion of high quality, reliable sampling techniques and survey design. Note the second line of the article starting:

If accurate, the result...

Clickbait garbage.

 

[p--and--t]

Virtually all groups involved in depression research or help are predicting an increase of 50% in suicide over at least 5 years due to the effects of lockdowns.

Every suicide is tragic. Not detracting from that in any way, the percentage numbers need context and analysis. There was already a 40% increase predicted, pre covid. What are the actual numbers meant with a 50% increase? Is that over and above the 40%? Or is it taking the baseline into account? What does that translate to in actual numbers? And how do those actual numbers compare to lives saved through the lockdown?

And how many are due to economic conditions and how many are "me too" and how many have been there always (like family violence) and are now getting air time. I think its more complex than "a" therefore "b".

And it would be unusual for a profession not to be actively promoting and forecasting figures that support using their profession (i.e. psychologists etc).

 

[BNEFlyer]

Many people get vaccines for other illnesses and diseases, so just add this to the list? I've been lucky to never have had measles, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, tetanus or the flu. Maybe I've got a good immune system or maybe it's the vaccines I've had. So personally I'd get a Covid vaccine if one was available. And if a condition of international travel was to be vaccinated, I'll take whatever jab required.

 

[drron]

Every suicide is tragic. Not detracting from that in any way, the percentage numbers need context and analysis. There was already a 40% increase predicted, pre covid. What are the actual numbers meant with a 50% increase? Is that over and above the 40%? Or is it taking the baseline into account? What does that translate to in actual numbers? And how do those actual numbers compare to lives saved through the lockdown?

I'm not sure where you got the projected 40% increase before Covid from.The suicide rate peaked in 2015 at 13.80 per 100000 population.It dropped to 13.20 per 100000 in 2016 and the UN predicted the 2020 rate to again be 13.20.
And do you know how many deaths have been prevented by lockdown?I would think the great majority of deaths were prevented by closing our borders to non citizens early on.Even now over 60% of cases were imported and probably at least half of the others were contacts of an imported case.So the compulsory quarantine was the next most important factor.
I personally don't think the extra lockdown factors contributed that much more especially after testing and contact tracing numbers were ramped up.

So how many deaths were prevented by the measures in addition to closing our external border and quarantine.No one really knows.


Prof McGorry a respected figure in mental health services suggests that there will be an extra 750-1500 deaths per year for 5 years then slowly returning to average levels.
So on those rates with the Australian mortality rate that would have been an extra 270000-540000 cases of Covid.
But suicide is not the only cause of death increased by lockdowns as I have explained before.Those deaths I am certain would be greater than the number of deaths from suicide.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm not sure where you got the projected 40% increase before Covid from.The suicide rate peaked in 2015 at 13.80 per 100000 population.It dropped to 13.20 per 100000 in 2016 and the UN predicted the 2020 rate to again be 13.20.
And do you know how many deaths have been prevented by lockdown?I would think the great majority of deaths were prevented by closing our borders to non citizens early on.Even now over 60% of cases were imported and probably at least half of the others were contacts of an imported case.So the compulsory quarantine was the next most important factor.
I personally don't think the extra lockdown factors contributed that much more especially after testing and contact tracing numbers were ramped up.

So how many deaths were prevented by the measures in addition to closing our external border and quarantine.No one really knows.


Prof McGorry a respected figure in mental health services suggests that there will be an extra 750-1500 deaths per year for 5 years then slowly returning to average levels.
So on those rates with the Australian mortality rate that would have been an extra 270000-540000 cases of Covid.
But suicide is not the only cause of death increased by lockdowns as I have explained before.Those deaths I am certain would be greater than the number of deaths from suicide.

In my post I included a link to an article, dated 2019, which expected a 40% increase in the suicide rate in australia due to the (then) current financial crisis. That increase was expected over the next 10 years.

So a ‘50%’ figure needs analysis and needs to be put in context... if we were already expecting 40%.

I suspect we saved more than 500 lives due to the lockdown.

 

[drron]

In my post I included a link to an article, dated 2019, which expected a 40% increase in the suicide rate in australia due to the (then) current financial crisis. That increase was expected over the next 10 years.

So a ‘50%’ figure needs analysis and needs to be put in context... if we were already expecting 40%.

I suspect we saved more than 500 lives due to the lockdown.

So your report says a 40% increase in the next decade.The report of the effect of the virus is from now.And the UN who do deal with world health had predicted no change for this year.
So the question should be will the 40% be on top of the rise due to coronavirus or not.