Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[Deleted member 6404]

...probably a waste of time trying to use logic with someone who asserts covid-19 was a planned exercise by the gov to cover up a depression.

And you think everything thats happening is logical , give me a break. time will reveal all in the not to distant future.

 

[jakeseven7]

And you think everything thats happening is logical , give me a break. time will reveal all in the not to distant future.

Are you the recently fired Pete Evans with too much thinking time on his hands by chance?

 

[drron]

Actually on Twitter a lot of people really know Covid is part of Bill Gates plan to once again become the richest man in the world.really they do.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Are you the recently fired Pete Evans with too much thinking time on his hands by chance?

I think he’s a bit too busy getting franchisees for the new quack clinics. Between that and interviewing cranks for the new social media channel.

Peace, love and unicorns

 

[Chicken]

Look I agree with alot of what you say but, really ,more have died from the flu and all the others I mentioned.

That's not true.

I think this is an interesting article: "The History of Pertussis (Whooping Cough); 1906–2015: Facts, Myths, and Misconceptions"

"With the use of DTwP vaccines beginning in the late 1940s in the USA, the result was a 157-fold reduction in reported pertussis by the early 1970s [2]. However, cyclic pertussis continued with the same periodicity as in the prevaccine era. Therefore, in spite of the control of pertussis by vaccination, it was apparent that B. pertussis was circulating in the population as a whole in a manner similar to the prevaccine era"

This shows how important it is, to have a widespread use of a reasonably safe vaccine, but more importantly, to continue with research in order to keep the vaccine up to date, and to continue the widespread use in the population.

I dont want any type of vax for me Im in that age group that they call vulnerable 65 up but I dont have any health issues good gens I guess. 99% who died had major health issues and are old and frail

Both young and old are dying, and we are now starting to discover even more problems we are going to be dealing down the road.

"Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying of strokes"

And also, we in Australia (and most of the western world) are very behind with these updates. To give an example:

"Coronavirus: some recovered patients may have reduced lung function and are left gasping for air while walking briskly, Hong Kong doctors find"
South China Morning Post
2020-03-13

"Coronavirus can cause lasting lung damage – but the effects may ease over time"
The Conversation
2020-06-18

"Coronavirus: Warning thousands could be left with lung damage"
BBC
2020-06-23

Hong Kong was 3 months ahead on releasing information on this front (but then again, they had SARS).

Then I will borrow this, which was said by Dr Norman Swan: 'This is NOT a flu, this virus does very weird things to bodies.'

Like giving you a swollen feet, and then you die (‘Important’ link between paediatric inflammatory syndromes and COVID-19)

My view is this plandemic was planned to cover up whats coming (depression).

OK, I'm going to call out the problem with this statement.

I am sorry that, I am unable to quote the professor who said this, because I forgot; but this is what the professor said:

You hear people say everyone is entitled to their opinion. He said, that you are not entitled to your opinion, until you can successfully argue for it. Imagine if people start going into banks, and say they are entitled to their opinion, that 1 + 1 = 3 . Our society would collapse.

Back on topic. If people were simply allowed to do whatever their opinions are, we would have people trying to play doctors out on the streets, and selling water which would cure COVID-19. Imagine some person, giving their elderly parents in a nursing home, this magic water instead of taking them to a hospital, because this magic water cures COVID-19. This person would have done it out of love, trying to the the best they could, to save their parents; instead, that person would end up killing their parents, plus all the friends of their parents in the nursing home. Think about the devastation in this scenario.

 

[p--and--t]

I think he’s a bit too busy getting franchisees for the new quack clinics. Between that and interviewing cranks for the new social media channel.

Peace, love and unicorns

Social media certainly throws up plenty of fake news. And Trump sold 1M tickets to his rally (and actually 1,578 people attended that weren't paid actors or security or his own staff). Plenty of fake news and snake oil salesmen around.

 

[kelvedon]

Well early days but this sounds like another positive step.

Coronavirus: Human trial of new vaccine begins in UK

Over the coming weeks, 300 healthy people will each be given two doses of the jab.

www.bbc.com

 

[drron]

One of the Oxford vaccines being trialled in the UK is now being trialled in south Africa and Brazil which makes it more likely to get sufficient volunteers get exposed to Covid.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[Chicken]

which makes it more likely to get sufficient volunteers get exposed to Covid.

This reads like getting volunteers to be infected with the virus, like how clinical trials were done back 70 years ago

 

[drron]

Actually it is only because both South Africa and Brazil have large numbers of active cases so more likely to find out if the vaccine is effective in preventing Covid.

 

[straitman]

Look I agree with alot of what you say but, really ,more have died from the flu and all the others I mentioned. My view is this plandemic was planned to cover up whats coming (depression). I dont want any type of vax for me Im in that age group that they call vulnerable 65 up but I dont have any health issues good gens I guess. 99% who died had major health issues and are old and frail, maybe they should have isolated them instead of destroying the world economy. Most dont know what freedom is by the way and will do what ever they are told good or bad. Eat good food exercise stop watching MSM and stop voting for these parasites who are hell bent in destroying the middle and low income class, enslaving them and our grand children in to servitude. GL

I always appreciate a different option on things however the text above is factually incorrect in so many areas that all I can do is treat it as a joke. Unfortunately it doesn’t quite qualify for the jokes thread either though.

 

[Archphoto]

Having caught whooping cough as a 13-year-old, I can honestly say I wouldn't wish it on anyone; coughing until you burst all the blood vessels in your eyes and coughing until you vomit while not being able to breathe at the same time is a frightening experience - on a few occasions I was actually choking on it.

I'm not one who vaccinates against everything, but thankfully, vaccinations have wiped out smallpox and at one stage the world was polio-free, That turned to s%@* when certain countries decided that such vaccinations were, to paraphrase, "the devil's work" and have since proceeded to murder those attempting to save said countries' children from a terrible, and often fatal disease.

I have a scar from a smallpox vaccination - it is, to be frank, enormous, That is due to my skin developing keloid scars - I am horrified to think that had I ever caught smallpox, and survived, that my entire body could have been scarred in such a way.

Vaccinating protects those we love, those who are vulnerable and yes, ourselves as well. Sure some of us may say "we're fit and healthy and have no underlying medical conditions, so I don't need to vaccinate", but such a stance is identical to those fit, young, and healthy 17-25 year olds who *have* died from Covid-19. I get that maybe you don't want to do it for you, but what about your family - I bet they'd like to have you around for a hell of a lot longer and not have your time on this big, blue marble decided by an insidious virus that couldn't care less if you smoke a pack a day or eat healthy - as the old saying goes: Prevention is better than cure (aka: death).

 

[CityRail]

No guarantee an effective COVID-19 vaccine will ever be created: WHO

www.9news.com.au

I understand there could be no guarantee, but I wonder what those scientific results and efforts are showing then?

There are a lot of scientific results in animals which shows that vaccines currently in study can effectively stop infections, so why WHO is pouring cold water? Is it to stop international efforts to pour more money into a Western Vaccine so that a Chinese can stand out?

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus - Simply cannot be trusted.

After Coronavirus, I believe he should be the first to go - we simply cannot afford a Chinese's puppet in international stage and mess up our international order of things.

 

[DC3]

I understand there could be no guarantee, but I wonder what those scientific results and efforts are showing then?

....we simply cannot afford a Chinese's puppet in international stage and mess up our international order of things.

Is that you, Poochie?

 

[Chicken]

There are a lot of scientific results in animals which shows that vaccines currently in study can effectively stop infections, so why WHO is pouring cold water?

It is called setting up people's expectation. (What I do with my day job every single day )

"Deadly coronavirus comes in three variants, researchers find" South China Morning Post 2020-04-11

Flu vaccines are changed every year, because the virus mutates every year (Why do I need a flu vaccine every year?), and there are years where everyone got jabbed but everyone ends up in hospital, because people in labs make predictions in summer on what virus is coming in the coming winter, then they make the vaccines, but the one that they guess could be the wrong one, so everyone would be in hospital despite every got jabbed.

Same with COVID-19. (EXPERT COMMENTARY: ‘D614G’ mutation of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19)

TLDR:

"Based on what we know at this point, we do not believe that this poses serious concerns about vaccine development, unlike what we see in seasonal influenza where we need to tweak the vaccine each year for Northern and Southern Hemispheres. However, many vaccines for COVID-19 target the spike region so we will keep a close watch on this and other mutations."

 

[burmans]

No guarantee an effective COVID-19 vaccine will ever be created: WHO

www.9news.com.au

I understand there could be no guarantee, but I wonder what those scientific results and efforts are showing then?

There are a lot of scientific results in animals which shows that vaccines currently in study can effectively stop infections, so why WHO is pouring cold water? Is it to stop international efforts to pour more money into a Western Vaccine so that a Chinese can stand out?

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus - Simply cannot be trusted.

After Coronavirus, I believe he should be the first to go - we simply cannot afford a Chinese's puppet in international stage and mess up our international order of things.

Why is WHO pouring cold water? Possibly because they know that to date there has never been a successful antivirus for a coronavirus in humans (there has been for chickens). In my view the question is why wouldn’t you be cautious in this situation, the truth is that we may need to live with this for some time.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Possibly because they know that to date there has never been a successful antivirus for a coronavirus in humans ...

I dunno if we've ever had this sort of effort put into finding one? I don't recall similar efforts with SARS or the others. The search for a vaccine for CV-19 seems unprecedented?

 

[burmans]

I dunno if we've ever had this sort of effort put into finding one? I don't recall similar efforts with SARS or the others. The search for a vaccine for CV-19 seems unprecedented?

Yes I agree, just felt that the attack on WHO was (in this instance) unwarranted. They did try hard for SARS but the virus just died of its own accord and hence the need disappeared.

I’m actually cautiously optimistic but cautious is the right description for me rather than blind optimism.

 

[drron]

Well they did keep trying for a SARs vaccine until 2016.

 

[Himeno]

Well they did keep trying for a SARs vaccine until 2016.

and only gave up because the money ran out, and the lack of the virus in the 'wild' meant that testing the vaccine was extremely slow.