Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Our bodies have this amazing thing called an immune system. This amazing system has kept us alive for billions of years.
We know there are ways to boost our immunity.
We also know that this virus does not affect large (healthy) groups of the population.

With that in mind -- if this virus is such a big risk.....
Why are Governments not mandating we consume only immune-boosting foods?
Why not mandate more sunlight exposure, as it boosts immune systems?
Why not remove alcohol & processed foods from sale, as they lower our immune systems?
Why not turn off mobile phone towers and lower radiation exposure, as radiating of all types of damages immune systems?

If there was a genuine, real concern for human health - these are the measures we'd see being taken.

What is the real agenda here?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

 

[DC3]

.... We also know that this virus does not affect large (healthy) groups of the population

.... What is the real agenda here?

I’m just going to sit back and see who takes the bait.

 

[tgh]

What is the real agenda here

It's a secret

 

[p--and--t]

I’m just going to sit back and see who takes the bait.

There is an old saying about " a barge pole" and not going near it

 

[p--and--t]

Trying their luck.

Could have detained that person, say at a quarantine station like Lei Yue Mun?

I doubt that's the reason, I would suspect more like they want to trying being annoying and wanting to get onto the next opportunity for a flight to Vietnam. You know, just like those people you see on the TV show "Airport".

The passenger only accidentally/deliberately withheld their HK passport status secret for 3 months just because they were in a hurry to catch a flight - sure - put whatever spin on it you like

(and two Canadians being arrested and held without charge for 18 months and without due legal process denied any consular access and taken away in pure spite by the CCP had nothing to do with his/her fear/actions.)

 

[CityRail]

Even without a Covid-19 vaccine, there's reason for hope | CNN

William Haseltine writes that even if a Covid-19 vaccine isn't ready in the near future, there is reason for hope that a medical solution -- in the form of an effective treatment for newly infected patients -- will soon be at hand.

edition.cnn.com

I think rather than looking at Vaccine, we should look at substances which could potentially treat COVID-19, they can come before a vaccine and we can end the pandemic that way.

 

[DC3]

Even without a Covid-19 vaccine, there's reason for hope | CNN

William Haseltine writes that even if a Covid-19 vaccine isn't ready in the near future, there is reason for hope that a medical solution -- in the form of an effective treatment for newly infected patients -- will soon be at hand.

edition.cnn.com

I think rather than looking at Vaccine, we should look at substances which could potentially treat COVID-19, they can come before a vaccine and we can end the pandemic that way.

I believe that is already happening. Such as the big POTUS being a guinea pig, recently, although preventative.

 

[Anna]

Our bodies have this amazing thing called an immune system. This amazing system has kept us alive for billions of years.
We know there are ways to boost our immunity.
We also know that this virus does not affect large (healthy) groups of the population.

With that in mind -- if this virus is such a big risk.....
Why are Governments not mandating we consume only immune-boosting foods?
Why not mandate more sunlight exposure, as it boosts immune systems?
Why not remove alcohol & processed foods from sale, as they lower our immune systems?
Why not turn off mobile phone towers and lower radiation exposure, as radiating of all types of damages immune systems?

If there was a genuine, real concern for human health - these are the measures we'd see being taken.

What is the real agenda here?

You left out the conspiracy about the flu-oride in the water and the omnipresent flu-oroescent lights. I mean, the clue is right there in the names.

 

[DC3]

The truth is out there.

 

[p--and--t]

The truth is out there.

...allegedly drinking or injecting bleach helps

 

[drron]

On the other hand there is something a little unusual with all the Covid statistics.The CDC have put out a summary of deaths in the USA for the period 1/2/20 to 4/7/20 and have compared that to the average number of deaths in the years 2017-2019 for the same period.
They report 1,303,171 total deaths for the period of which 113,303 are coded as Covid deaths.
Now where there is confusion is that the total deaths this year are just 102% of the average.
As well only 49051 deaths are recorded as being due to Covid-19 and pneumonia which you would expect to be the commonest cause of death due to Covid 19.

Provisional COVID-19 Mortality Surveillance

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Now the numbers are based on death certificates and there will be a lag but less than half the deaths said to be due to Covid has the mode of death as pneumonia certainly raises some questions.

 

[p--and--t]

On the other hand there is something a little unusual with all the Covid statistics.The CDC have put out a summary of deaths in the USA for the period 1/2/20 to 4/7/20 and have compared that to the average number of deaths in the years 2017-2019 for the same period.
They report 1,303,171 total deaths for the period of which 113,303 are coded as Covid deaths.
Now where there is confusion is that the total deaths this year are just 102% of the average.
As well only 49051 deaths are recorded as being due to Covid-19 and pneumonia which you would expect to be the commonest cause of death due to Covid 19.

Provisional COVID-19 Mortality Surveillance

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Now the numbers are based on death certificates and there will be a lag but less than half the deaths said to be due to Covid has the mode of death as pneumonia certainly raises some questions.

The figures don't sound plausible?

 

[CityRail]

I believe that is already happening. Such as the big POTUS being a guinea pig, recently, although preventative.

I think so, similar to a vaccine, you need to have clinical trials. I believe the stage where they have identified these substances are still pre-clincial.

Once it is on clinical, we should see results rather quickly. I hope we can find an antiviral soon so that we will be able to reduce the impact on COVID-19.

 

[JohnM]

On the other hand there is something a little unusual with all the Covid statistics.The CDC have put out a summary of deaths in the USA for the period 1/2/20 to 4/7/20 and have compared that to the average number of deaths in the years 2017-2019 for the same period.
They report 1,303,171 total deaths for the period of which 113,303 are coded as Covid deaths.
Now where there is confusion is that the total deaths this year are just 102% of the average.
As well only 49051 deaths are recorded as being due to Covid-19 and pneumonia which you would expect to be the commonest cause of death due to Covid 19.

Provisional COVID-19 Mortality Surveillance

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Now the numbers are based on death certificates and there will be a lag but less than half the deaths said to be due to Covid has the mode of death as pneumonia certainly raises some questions.

Analogous situations occur in animal (and plant) population biology, although I as an insect population biologist, can be more brutal in the ways I talk about mortality in that different context. Measuring and describing mortality accurately is crucial for a pest management or an endangered-species biologist - it's our stock-in-trade. But it is, for obvious reasons, an uncomfortable thing to do for human populations.

Fundamentally, it's about life tables: Life table - Wikipedia and age-specific mortality. They are the crucial information source on a population basis for actuaries - and modelling your superannuation...

In population biology we talk of additive and substitutive mortality. Even experienced biologists get very confused about this; enthusiastic amateurs prattling about biological control have no idea at all.

It classically rears its head in people not understanding why biological control often struggles to control a pest (the biocontrol agent may simply replace (substitute for) another pre-existing cause of mortality, not add to it sufficiently to actually increase total mortality). This is especially the case for highly fecund organisms (think many insects, mice) where mortality is already around 98% just to allow replacement of 'mum and dad' for an organism that has a fecundity of 100. And it's why pest populations 'bounce back' so quickly once the mortality pressure (from whatever source) is relaxed, or why they 'outbreak' under highly favourable environmental conditions. But it is also a reason why very low-fecund animals (think elephants, whales) can be much more easily driven to extinction.

Sorting out just what factor caused the mortality of each specific individual, and how much longer it would have survived had that factor not caused its demise, is a nightmare because of the dynamic interplay of sources of mortality. In most population biology, such as pest management, it may not matter too much. In human populations under pandemic threat it matters much more (not to mention the emotional overhead and emotional drivers).

This gives an idea of the issue: Understanding Predation.

 

[drron]

JohnM even in humans such things can happen and I am beginning to suspect this phenomenon is much more common than reported with Covid-19.
From personal experience in flu epidemics in the past if someone has been admitted to hospital for terminal care and developes the flu before dying the death is not recorded as dying from the flu but whatever condition that caused the terminal care.The flu might be added as a condition that contributed to the death but not as the direct cause.As well in these situations the test for the flu isn't done usually as it will make no difference to the outcome.

It does certainly appear that Covid is tested for in most of these cases.It also has been admitted by many including the QLD CHO and Swedish authorities that anyone who tests positive for Covid-19 and then dies will be recorded as a Covid death.

When you look at the CDC figures down the page it does give the deaths per state.As well does separate out NYC specifically.In NYC the death numbers are 201% higher than average and the 3 worst states by the above average mortality are New Jersey,New York and Massachusetts.And that fits with the bad numbers in those states.But most states are at 100% average or slightly less.

It certainly is going to require a lot more investigation to truly understand what the figures mean.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

You left out the conspiracy about the flu-oride in the water and the omnipresent flu-oroescent lights. I mean, the clue is right there in the names.

I'm not sure what fluoride has to do with the post?

I merely present facts and ask logical questions.

 

[trevella]

I'm not sure what fluoride has to do with the post?

I merely present facts and ask logical questions.

Kinda like Ali G.

But unfortunately your anti-vaxx impersonation is just as unbelievable as your repeated attempts at pretending you’re an in-demand consultant on frequent flyer programs.

 

[Anna]

I merely present facts and ask logical questions.

Presenting facts and asking 'logical' questions is what conspiracy theorists do.

Presenting facts and drawing logical conclusions is what scientists do.

 

[OATEK]

Apparently the upsurge in infections in Vic. has allowed for some vaccine testing to take place NoCookies | The Australian

I know the article is paywalled, but wanted to show the reference. The article states: " A Covid-19 vaccine developed by Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky" is proposed to enter Phase 1 human trials.