Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[prozac]

I am not qualified to comment on either drug, however common sense suggests most of us common folk would likely be given the AstraZeneca drug which, due to the less stringent storage requirements could possibly be given at GP surgeries or vaccination centres.

 

[Pushka]

Pfizer?

Yes. One of my cousins in Oxford developed Covid back in April (one of their grandchildren). She lost her sense of taste and smell. Still not particularly well last time I heard.

the only available until now is the Pfizer one... Oxford one is not yet being administered

Correct. (They just happen to live in Oxford. Soooo close. )

 

[oz_mark]

Well The Minister revealed a very pertinent reason why Australia has not proceeded with Emergency Authorisation apart from the fact there is no Emergency in Australia.Pfizer has not sent all of their supporting evidence to the TGA.
They were granted provisional approval some time ago but all the evidence needs to be assessed before full registration will be granted.
COVID-19 vaccine to help us win the race | Australian Government Department of Health

COVID-19 vaccine provisional determinations | Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)

Funny so many states have declared a State of Emergency, if there is no emergency

 

[RooFlyer]

Funny so many states have declared a State of Emergency, if there is no emergency

In every case, if not almost every, it was the legal mechanism needed to give the police etc authority to put in place and enforce hotel and related quarantine measures. The fact that in Tasmania, the declared 'emergency' lasted a few months after the last virus case existed here, shows what a nonsense that particular thing was.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In every case, if not almost every, it was the legal mechanism needed to give the police etc authority to put in place and enforce hotel and related quarantine measures. The fact that in Tasmania, the declared 'emergency' lasted a few months after the last virus case existed here, shows what a nonsense that particular thing was.

beg to disagree on that. The states of emergency are declared in response to the global pandemic, and the need to respond in case of an imminent threat to a state. As we saw, that can occur in a matter of hours with folk crossing borders

 

[RooFlyer]

beg to disagree on that. The states of emergency are declared in response to the global pandemic, and the need to respond in case of an imminent threat to a state. As we saw, that can occur in a matter of hours with folk crossing borders

OK, we can disagree - but what are the responses you refer to in the "need to respond in case of an imminent threat to a state" ? Perhaps things like ordering mandatory detention in a hotel for two weeks on arrival in a state; banning gathering of groups of X number of people, ordering mandatory face masks? Are these powers normally resident with police? Or are thy granted under a declared State of Emergency?

Or is a State of Emergency just declared to sound dramatic, with no change to the powers that can be exercised by authorities?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

OK, we can disagree - but what are the responses you refer to in the "need to respond in case of an imminent threat to a state" ? Perhaps things like ordering mandatory detention in a hotel for two weeks on arrival in a state; banning gathering of groups of X number of people, ordering mandatory face masks? Are these powers normally resident with police? Or are thy granted under a declared State of Emergency?

Or is a State of Emergency just declared to sound dramatic, with no change to the powers that can be exercised by authorities?

Just realised we are off topic for this thread! But yes, most of those things you mention - as well as the suspension of the Charter of Rights in Victoria - are only possible because of the state of emergency. The same applies in many cases to border closures, which often rely on there being a state of emergency as the enabler to make the subsequent order.

 

[NM]

Would be nice if they could combine the COVID-19 vaccination with other vaccines and give ti all in one jab. Looks like I might be getting three different vaccines this year - the annual Flu shot, Whooping Cough (Pertussis), and COVID-19. I hate needles. Just getting the annual flu shot requires several weeks lead time to prepare myself. Doing that 3 times in a few months is going to be a challenge to my (completely unwarranted) fear management.

 

[Pushka]

Would be nice if they could combine the COVID-19 vaccination with other vaccines and give ti all in one jab. Looks like I might be getting three different vaccines this year - the annual Flu shot, Whooping Cough (Pertussis), and COVID-19. I hate needles. Just getting the annual flu shot requires several weeks lead time to prepare myself. Doing that 3 times in a few months is going to be a challenge to my (completely unwarranted) fear management.

New Baby in the family?

 

[PineappleSkip]

Scomo has reiterated March for a rollout. No pressure, TGA!

Scott Morrison and Paul Kelly have given their first coronavirus update for 2021.

Mr Morrison reiterated the rollout for the coronavirus vaccine in Australia would be beginning as planned in March 2021.

"On the vaccine, you don't rush the [rollout]," he said. "That's very dangerous for Australians. Those who suggest that, I think it's a naive suggestion.

"Public health is our number one priority.

"There will be no shortcuts. The standards must be maintained and upheld."

Mr Morrison reiterated that Australia was in a comparatively good position compared to the rest of the world.

"There's been no approval given in an advanced jurisdiction for the [AstraZeneca] vaccine — there have been emergency authorisations given," he said.

 

[NM]

New Baby in the family?

It seems everyone else is current, but I am the odd one out and would hate to be the source of transmissions. So as much as I a suffer jab-phobia, I know I will have to grit my teeth relax and roll up my sleeve for the greater good.

 

[Pushka]

It seems everyone else is current, but I am the odd one out and would hate to be the source of transmissions. So as much as I a suffer jab-phobia, I know I will have to grit my teeth relax and roll up my sleeve for the greater good.

My other son is the same with jabs but he took one for the team when his nephew was born.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Apologies if this has been raised in another thread... but it seriously bugs me when people make comments like:

"On the vaccine, you don't rush the [rollout]," he said. "That's very dangerous for Australians. Those who suggest that, I think it's a naive suggestion.​

​

(said by the PM)​

It makes out we are idiots for not knowing information which is privy to the PM and his advisors. From our perspective we see multiple vaccines being rolled out across the world, safe for them, but somehow not for us?

 

[drron]

It also seriously bugs me when people are told that no government has fully authorised the Covid vaccines but only have given emergency authorisations that people still think we are wrong to delay full authorisation in Australia.
I agree with the CMO.The PM is following the CMO's advice as it should be.
I for one am happy we are not trying to rush things.

 

[Pushka]

So. The emergency authorisation versus ‘standard’ authorisation. How can there be a difference? It either works or it doesn’t. If it harms people then it shouldn’t be used in an emergency either. Because then that becomes the villain not the virus. Seems very black and white to me.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Apologies if this has been raised in another thread... but it seriously bugs me when people make comments like:

"On the vaccine, you don't rush the [rollout]," he said. "That's very dangerous for Australians. Those who suggest that, I think it's a naive suggestion.​

​

(said by the PM)​

It makes out we are idiots for not knowing information which is privy to the PM and his advisors. From our perspective we see multiple vaccines being rolled out across the world, safe for them, but somehow not for us?

Nothing to do with the average punter, I believe the comment and response relate to the Leader of the Oppositions' call to roll the vaccine out ASAP.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Nothing to do with the average punter, I believe the comment and response relate to the Leader of the Oppositions' call to roll the vaccine out ASAP.

Fair enough. But why isn't the PM briefing the opposition so they are fully informed as to the 'dangers'?

 

[Sprucegoose]

Fair enough. But why isn't the PM briefing the opposition so they are fully informed as to the 'dangers'?

The opposition will normally be briefed on matters such as security of State. Any other briefing would usually depend on the style of the government Minister. Given that it appears the opposition is trying to politically wedge the government on the timing of the vaccine rollout, it most probably would be seen as a partisan matter by the government.

Commercially we are dealing with sensitive patents, intellectual property, licenses, etc. The appropriate dangers would be dealt with the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), who is responsible for assessing vaccines and other medicines before they can be used in Australia. The TGA will only register a vaccine for use in Australia if its benefits are much greater than its risks. That assessment would include the 'dangers'.

See it also long the same lines as the 737 Max, which is approved to fly in the States but not in Australia. The PM would wait for the regulatory authorities to perform their approval processes. Any deviation would present 'danger' and no briefing for the opposition would be warranted.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Would be good to vaccine those that come into contact with overseas returnees to Australia, what would there be, 10,000 people

I can’t wait for the vaccine roll out, I’m ready for the needle, the premiers will stop panicking and shutting the borders.

 

[trevella]

Seems very black and white to me.

And that's the whole problem. COVID-19 and the necessary public health response are all 37 shades of grey.

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It makes out we are idiots

Not necessarily incorrect.