Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[drron]

I'd like whichever one gives me the best chance of not being killed or maimed by this virus (well, who wouldn't).

My priority is not overseas travel (or any other sort of travel) in the short term, but merely staying healthy, with my family and friends likewise.

Travel can be done later when there is less chance of getting sick / dying overseas, and IMHO a vaccine with high efficacy will be needed to do this (or take your chances).

Note that I am BA Gold and UA Plat (to name but a couple), but I'm not rushing to resume my regular travel patterns at this stage. Each to their own, however.

Yes that is fine for you but there are many that are going to lose the opportunity to travel.2020/21 were going to be our years of most travel.
And when you look at these statistics those between 60 and 80-
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You can see many of us are not going to travel ever again.

 

[Must...Fly!]

The WA Health Minister is supporting these claims that the Pfizer jab is the one to get.

I personally remain confused at all of this sudden doubt about the Oxford vaccine. Little if anything has changed since before Christmas, why is all of this getting airtime now? Less to fill the pages or is there some other reason.

 

[Pushka]

The WA Health Minister is supporting these claims that the Pfizer jab is the one to get.

I personally remain confused at all of this sudden doubt about the Oxford vaccine. Little if anything has changed since before Christmas, why is all of this getting airtime now? Less to fill the pages or is there some other reason.

Agendas. Name in headlines. Five minutes of fame. Elections. Politics. Advertisements for funding applications. And so on.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Yes that is fine for you but there are many that are going to lose the opportunity to travel.2020/21 were going to be our years of most travel.
And when you look at these statistics those between 60 and 80-
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You can see many of us are not going to travel ever again.

But the graph shows that if you make it to 95+ you’ll never die, if you are male.

 

[Jenya]

Probably the best article about covid vaccines I've encountered so far, that is neither biased towards "covid orthodoxy", nor is "anti vax". Are the covid vaccines safe and effective?


I am personally warried that govt here decided only rollout Oxford vaccine and not other two.
I think this will make lots of ppl decide not to take jab as their preferred one is not offered.

 

[k_sheep]

I'll be in the first group to get the vaccine. I don't care which one I get. I trust the process.

I can't wait until we can use the mRNA technology for other things once all this has settled down - having a large scale production for covid will give really good data.

 

[drron]

Probably the best article about covid vaccines I've encountered so far, that is neither biased towards "covid orthodoxy", nor is "anti vax". Are the covid vaccines safe and effective?


I am personally warried that govt here decided only rollout Oxford vaccine and not other two.
I think this will make lots of ppl decide not to take jab as their preferred one is not offered.

However that article only quotes the first of the Oxford vaccine in the journals.There are now 5 and instead of 12000 patients it is now 43000 patients and the trials are ongoing including in the UK and South Africa.
Now he says the Pfizer trial had 355 who were obese whilst the Oxford trial had an average BMI of 25 which is ideal.Not quite.A BMI over 25 means you are either overweight or obese.That is if it is the average then 50% could be overweight or obese.

Now he goes on with the efficacy rate being much better at 90% vs 70%.But trials of 23000 vaccinations with very few cases of covid can be wildly inaccurate.And if you look a little closer 1.7% in the control arm of the Oxford study developed covid but in the Pfizer study it was 0.9%.So was the Oxford study using a population of high risk people?These questions just cant be answered on these small trials.

But the other fact that for some reason is never mentioned of those who developed covid it was 1 in 9 or 11% got severe Covid.With a greater number of positives in the Oxford trial only 2 patients developed severe covid but one of those seroconverted on the day of vaccination so was not a vaccine failure.The other was on Day 10 after the first dose so presumably developed the disease in the first week after vaccination when we know whichever vaccine is used that immunity hasn't really developed.

The WA Health Minister is supporting these claims that the Pfizer jab is the one to get.

I personally remain confused at all of this sudden doubt about the Oxford vaccine. Little if anything has changed since before Christmas, why is all of this getting airtime now? Less to fill the pages or is there some other reason.

If you watched the Channel 7 news or a current Affair tonight you would see journalists aggressively spruiking the Pfizer vaccine as the best.
Now when most countries banned doctors being taken to International conferences what did Pfizer do.Well take journalists instead.That's where many of the so called breakthrough news originate.
Methinks some people have been busy again.

 

[ethernet]

Trust drron to see the obvious. But since the start of the outbreak, treatment has improved., and we know people with prior allergy hospitalizations are at risk. We know malnutrition and obesity is a determinant(Hint council estates and reservations have both). We know some US hospitals are closed and have armed guards preventing entry - presumably on your level of health insurance. We know politicians should not try to predict 'winners' when the clinical information is held closely, and conditionally under NDA of sorts, and still being acquired. We know 'orderly rollout' is a con when contract workers at the coalface(cleaners, busboys and their partners are not a priority. We know the complicated cold chain line is BS - you have five days to use it - or more after opening the esky/bottle so to speak.

Positive suggestions.
People before the shot should take a multivitamin tablet a few days before, maybe C D and zinc as well. If not needed, expelled via urine. Pay attention to people with low hemoglobin counts or allergy history. Those with a history of taking the normal flu shot no problems should not be asked to wait 30 mins. I'll waste my breath if I say stop smoking and no alcohol beforehand. And no drugs.

Testing Breakouts. As there are testing hotspots by postcode, there should be a plan to up testing in low coverage testing cold spots(lack of testing) by postcode and advertising the same.

Daily testing of nobody important scumbag lowest paid quarantine workers. Just starting to now, but for cricket and tennis, was done. Social status matters.

Learn from Israel. I suggest places of worship would make excellent 'my flock' rapid vaccination stations and plenty of free doctors in say at old south head road. Those with set theory logic see the common sense and overlap here. The goal: zero wastage, highest efficiency, least objections.
And top ranked private schools, in car shots for the parents.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Probably the best article about covid vaccines I've encountered so far, that is neither biased towards "covid orthodoxy", nor is "anti vax". Are the covid vaccines safe and effective?


I am personally warried that govt here decided only rollout Oxford vaccine and not other two.
I think this will make lots of ppl decide not to take jab as their preferred one is not offered.

Worth noting that the same blogger has a post from September saying that based on his experience as a training Dr in Sweden they had reached herd immunity.

 

[Must...Fly!]

If you watched the Channel 7 news or a current Affair tonight you would see journalists aggressively spruiking the Pfizer vaccine as the best.
Now when most countries banned doctors being taken to International conferences what did Pfizer do.Well take journalists instead.That's where many of the so called breakthrough news originate.
Methinks some people have been busy again.

That is interesting & I did not know.

Cost difference between Pfizer & O-AZ is significant as are logistical challenges, as discussed here before.

The results of this study have probably never been more critical. A shame we have to wait until March.

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

 

[drron]

I liked the eligibility criteria for the study.

Ages Eligible for Study:	18 Years to 130 Years (Adult, Older Adult)
Sexes Eligible for Study:	All
Accepts Healthy Volunteers:	Yes

Not too many 130 year olds around I suspect.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Another opinion piece getting top billing on The Age/SMH

We cannot delay vaccine rollout and risk major illness in winter

A rapid vaccine rollout, including of the AstraZeneca vaccine, will allow us to return to a relatively normal life and avoid a major wave of illness like the one that has hit the northern hemisphere.

www.theage.com.au

Dare I say it this is one opinion I (largely) agree with. Only as long as it does allow for the absence of restrictions.

I don't know who talked to who in the Immunology circles over the past week. But they have not done their profession many favours. People in scientific fields have to understand that there are people who do not believe or trust science as much as they do. Talking one vaccine down to the benefit of another is not going to just lead to argument about which is better - it will lead many to conclude that if experts can't agree which ones work, then none of them are worth getting. Not everyone understands efficacy, effectiveness, severity of disease, etc.

 

[tomlee1986]

I liked the eligibility criteria for the study.

Ages Eligible for Study:	18 Years to 130 Years (Adult, Older Adult)
Sexes Eligible for Study:	All
Accepts Healthy Volunteers:	Yes

Not too many 130 year olds around I suspect.

that is funny... i dont think i have seen any 130 year olds still alive now

 

[Must...Fly!]

that is funny... i dont think i have seen any 130 year olds still alive now

Apparently 130 is generally considered the upper limit of human longevity which is why it is used as an upper bound in some scientific areas.

Learned something today!

 

[drron]

Apparently 130 is generally considered the upper limit of human longevity which is why it is used as an upper bound in some scientific areas.

Learned something today!

Ah but for how much longer.Gene therapy curing progeria in mice.

DNA Base Editing May Treat Progeria, Study in Mice Shows

My good friend Sam Berns was born with a rare genetic condition that causes rapid premature aging. Though Sam passed away in his teens from complications of this condition, called Hutchinson-Gilfor…

directorsblog.nih.gov

 

[drron]

Some good news.Studies of those that have had Covid finding adequate immunity at 8 months after the disease now.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[Rich]

Scomo has reiterated March for a rollout. No pressure, TGA!

Scott Morrison and Paul Kelly have given their first coronavirus update for 2021.

Like me, Scomo is thinking about the footy season.

 

[tomlee1986]

Like me, Scomo is thinking about the footy season.

I am not surprised... i bet he wants to watch his sharks play lol

 

[PineappleSkip]

Scomo has reiterated March for a rollout.

Ancient news that. What a difference a week or two makes!

 

[Lynda2475]

SMH Reports:

Urgent advice sought by Australia on Norwegian deaths​

Australian health authorities are urgently seeking more information from Norway after the country reported deaths in elderly patients who had received the Pfizer vaccine.

The British Medical Journal reports 23 frail and elderly patients in Norway died shortly after receiving the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency told the BMJ it has investigated 13 of the deaths so far, and concluded that common side effects of mRNA vaccines, which include fever and diarrhoea, may have contributed to the deaths.

Australia has an agreement to purchase 10 million doses of that vaccine.

Health Minister Greg Hunt said the government immediately sought more information.

“I have been in contact with the Australian medical regulator, the TGA, this morning, and requested that they seek additional information, both from the company, but also from the Norwegian medical regulator,” he said.

Foreign Minister Marise Payne will also task the Department of Foreign affairs to seek advice directly from the Norwegian government, Minister Hunt said, and he has also briefed the Acting Prime Minister and the prime minister’s office this morning.

“As further information is available, we'll share that with the Australian public,” he said.

The health minister said so far results from the US on their rollout of the Pfizer vaccine have been “heartening”.

The US Centres for Disease Control has reviewed roughly 1.8 million doses of that vaccine, with “very positive results in terms of both the safety and the efficacy,” Minister Hunt said.

The minister reiterated that safety was the Australian medical regulator’s number one priority.

“So we'll continue to follow the processes of the medical regulator, because that's going to keep Australians safe and ultimately provide confidence,” he said.