Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[Must...Fly!]

I guess it won't be long until the Pfizer naysayers come out of the wood work in the media....?

 

[RooFlyer]

So, some frail, elderly people died after receiving the vaccine? As in, didn’t die because of the vaccine?

Edit: Seems they had (unspecified, on tonight's news) "side effects"

 

[Pushka]

What is strange is that it is only reported in Norway so wonder if there is a local issue at play. Contamination. Poor storage and so on.

 

[tomlee1986]

I think it is best to let the investigations in Norway to proceed to see what happened... too hard to predict on what occurred until we have heard from the authorities

 

[zenyattamondatta]

What is strange is that it is only reported in Norway so wonder if there is a local issue at play. Contamination. Poor storage and so on.

Or just thorough analysis.

 

[Lynda2475]

This is why Im happy Australia hasnt rushed into adminstering vaccines, we will benefit from real world data from UK, USA, Europe where they will have vaccinated millions ahea dof us.

 

[tomlee1986]

This is why Im happy Australia hasnt rushed into adminstering vaccines, we will benefit from real world data from UK, USA, Europe where they will have vaccinated millions ahea dof us.

I think in a way it is a good thing, but we cant delay for too much longer through

 

[oznflfan]

I think in a way it is a good thing, but we cant delay for too much longer through

Agree, OK for no approval right now, but would want the whole country fully vaccinated by end of this year, to allow time for CHO's, Health Mininster and dreaded Pollies to get data and research on vaccine effectiveness and transmission.

Being selfish, I have pretty much written off 2021 to go anywhere, but 2022 will be a big year for oversea's travel, min SE Asia, but maybe Europe if if settles right down by early 2022.

 

[tomlee1986]

I am for the vaccine too thus we should start vaccinating before the winter months starts, as it is the worst months like last year. we could do this at the same time as the flu shot if it proves it can be done around the same time

 

[Major]

I think in a way it is a good thing, but we cant delay for too much longer through

We can, and should delay for as long as it takes to get it right

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Does anyone know if Norway tookPfizer at the recommended intervals or not (UK and Us not planning to take at recommended interval)

 

[drron]

Being 75 I am even more inclined to go with the Oxford vaccine.All deaths are in those aged 75+ though all with other diseases as well.The number is now 29.

Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

And it isn't just Norway.

“We are aware that deaths have also been reported in other countries, but do not have full details of this yet,” Norway’s medicines agency said. “There are also differences between countries in who is prioritized for vaccination, and this could also affect the reporting of side effects, including death.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Pushka]

We can, and should delay for as long as it takes to get it right

We don't know what 'get it right' looks like because the risk is that we get it very wrong and delay too much. I believe the Norway issue is much more complex than the simple vaccination and that it isn't the culprit. And people just sometimes, well, die when they have complex medical needs.

What other countries - Where it can be proven that the cause of death was the immunisation and not just with an immunised person?

 

[Buzzard]

We can, and should delay for as long as it takes to get it right

We don't know what 'get it right' looks like because the risk is that we get it very wrong and delay too much. I believe the Norway issue is much more complex than the simple vaccination and that it isn't the culprit. And people just sometimes, well, die when they have complex medical needs.

What other countries - Where it can be proven that the cause of death was the immunisation and not just with an immunised person?

Until the vaccine becomes mandatory, those that wish to wait for whatever reason are entitled to do so whilst those that want to take it as soon as it becomes available can do so.
Who am I to judge?

 

[Pushka]

Until the vaccine becomes mandatory, those that wish to wait for whatever reason are entitled to do so whilst those that want to take it as soon as it becomes available can do so.
Who am I to judge?

Absolutely. However I trust those who desire to wait don’t have a delay impact on those who are happy to proceed forthwith. It was the “we should wait” that prompted my response. Those who want to wait should do so but not think to prevent those who don’t.

My Relatives in UK have had the first and second round are very relieved.

 

[RooFlyer]

Questions for medicos, such as @drron and @Princess Fiona ., @k_sheep

The Pfizer vaccine, needed to be stored at -70 degrees C.

* What is it in the vaccine that requires such cold? To inactivate some biological 'unwinding' of the mRNA? Is it slushy at -70 or is it in, say, alcohol? Why so low? Or are they being ultra ultra conservative and the real 'preservation' temperature may be something like -30 or so??

* At what point can it be warmed - or is it injected straight out of the freezer? -70 deg C straight into the arm?

* Once injected, it goes to abt +36 deg pretty quick. I guess it does its stuff before it denatures, or whatever the problem is?

I know I could Google, but here is more interesting

 

[Pushka]

Or just thorough analysis.

But I’d expect countries like Germany to be just as thorough. Is Switzerland undertaking the process currently?

 

[k_sheep]

Questions for medicos, such as @drron and @Princess Fiona ., @k_sheep

The Pfizer vaccine, needed to be stored at -70 degrees C.

* What is it in the vaccine that requires such cold? To inactivate some biological 'unwinding' of the mRNA? Is it slushy at -70 or is it in, say, alcohol? Why so low? Or are they being ultra ultra conservative and the real 'preservation' temperature may be something like -30 or so??

* At what point can it be warmed - or is it injected straight out of the freezer? -70 deg C straight into the arm?

* Once injected, it goes to abt +36 deg pretty quick. I guess it does its stuff before it denatures, or whatever the problem is?

I know I could Google, but here is more interesting

RNA (compared to DNA) has an extra hydroxyl group (-OH) which means it degrades super quickly - so needs to be stored at -70 for prolonged storage. It's stable for like an hour or so once you thaw it so will be warmed before it goes into you

Once it is injected it gets into cells quickly and the RNA is copied into DNA which is more stable.

 

[drron]

We don't know what 'get it right' looks like because the risk is that we get it very wrong and delay too much. I believe the Norway issue is much more complex than the simple vaccination and that it isn't the culprit. And people just sometimes, well, die when they have complex medical needs.

What other countries - Where it can be proven that the cause of death was the immunisation and not just with an immunised person?

Did you read what the Pfizer spokesman said in the link.It was also on the Tassie news tonight.

Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths in Norway, Pfizer said in an e-mailed statement. The agency found that “the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations,” Pfizer said.

So it seems they expected this to happen in the frail elderly.
An episode of vomiting certainly has the effect of accelerating the death in frail individuals.Often by an aspiration pneumonia.

It is the Norwegian authorities who are saying other countries have had deaths.I see no reason to doubt them.

 

[Pushka]

Did you read what the Pfizer spokesman said in the link.It was also on the Tassie news tonight.


So it seems they expected this to happen in the frail elderly.
An episode of vomiting certainly has the effect of accelerating the death in frail individuals.Often by an aspiration pneumonia.

It is the Norwegian authorities who are saying other countries have had deaths.I see no reason to doubt them.

Well, I'd like to see the other countries state that and not second hand from another country tbh. That the immunisation was the direct cause of X number of deaths. Nothing in SA news about it tonight.