Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[OZDUCK]

I just have to believe that the vaccine rollout here will not be the shambles it has been so far in the USA. Another forum I frequent has a lot of 40+ Americans on it and the stories they tell about the confusion and mismanagement in a number of states is eye-opening.

Can’t Get a Shot? Thousands of ‘Vaccine Hunters’ Are Crossing State Borders to Get Theirs (Published 2021)

With no nationwide plan for distributing coronavirus vaccines, people are scrambling to other states. Some health officials, saying greater immunity is the goal, aren’t standing in the way.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But the issue he was raising is that there is no intention of vaccinating under 16s this year. Just observing we need a vaccine approved for kids too, to maximise the herd immunity in the community.

The PM's presser today is talking about managing risks in the same way we do the flu and other viruses: Press Conference - Australian Parliament House, ACT | Prime Minister of Australia

This seems to be walking back a little on the need for a complete stop to transmission:

We are still concerned about people, particularly those most vulnerable, suffering severe disease that can result in fatality. But the vaccinations will certainly address that. And that means that, ultimately, with vaccinations the virus can present a similar risk to many other viruses that are already out there in the community. And we know what our tolerance for that is right now. So, I'm not making any comparison between those at this point. But what we want to understand is the potential for us to reach that point. And so you're right - once you get to that stage, the number of cases isn't the issue. I mean, we don't stand up every day and talk about the number of cases of any other virus, flu or others, every day.​

 

[OZDUCK]

And a bit more good news.

Covid vaccines extremely safe, finds UK regulator

Almost all the side-effects of the two vaccines being used in the UK are mild and expected, says MHRA.

www.bbc.com

 

[jeza]

As one of the Countries with the highest proportion of their population having received a COVID vaccination there is some promising early data from Israel.

They are also due to start easing restrictions on their 3rd lockdown on Sunday. Hopefully the recent downward trend in both cases & deaths will continue as the restrictions are lifted.

Israel’s Vaccination Results Point a Way Out of Virus Pandemic (Published 2021)

Covid cases fell dramatically and quickly among people who were vaccinated, Israeli studies found. It’s the strongest evidence yet that a robust vaccination program can tame the pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

Vaccines are curbing COVID: Data from Israel show drop in infections

The country is the first to see a direct effect of vaccines working in such a large group of people.

www.nature.com

Israel, a global leader in COVID vaccinations, finds limits

 

[openseat]

Sputnik V looks good.

Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial

Trials with 20,000 volunteers show the vaccine gives a high level of protection against Covid-19.

www.bbc.com

 

[PineappleSkip]

Article here on rollout of vaccine under the international COVAX facility, and how many doses it's going to get to developing countries. Enough for between 3% and 20% of pupulations in the short term, with the bulk of countries around 3%, apart from a few small island states.

Which countries are receiving COVID-19 vaccines from COVAX?

Cheers skip

 

[zenyattamondatta]

But officials do know - maybe not the ones in Oz, but the preliminary data seems to be in that the Oxford vaccine stops transmission in 67% of cases, or close to that as reported in this thread earlier.

I wish the government would muzzle Murphy with his constant bad news

I wish you'd muzzle yourself rather than baselessly criticizing people who understand the situation way better than you do.

With a seductive number, AstraZeneca study fueled hopes that eclipsed its data

With a seductive number, AstraZeneca study fueled hopes that eclipsed its data.

www.statnews.com

What they found was that while a single dose of the two-dose vaccine cut positive test results by 67% — the figure many media reports seized on — two doses reduced the positive tests by a lesser amount, 49.5%.

That decline is hard to explain

 

[Must...Fly!]

I wish you'd muzzle yourself rather than baselessly criticizing people who understand the situation way better than you do.

With a seductive number, AstraZeneca study fueled hopes that eclipsed its data

With a seductive number, AstraZeneca study fueled hopes that eclipsed its data.

www.statnews.com

What they found was that while a single dose of the two-dose vaccine cut positive test results by 67% — the figure many media reports seized on — two doses reduced the positive tests by a lesser amount, 49.5%.

That decline is hard to explain

While I agree one does not lead to the other, I'd say the real world experience of Australia over the past 2-3 months of this "mutant strain" escaping several times over and causing stuff all extra infections, is proof that viral loads vary wildly.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I wish you'd muzzle yourself rather than baselessly criticizing people who understand the situation way better than you do.

'The situation' is about building confidence in the government's vaccination program. It's about maintaining confidence in the government's handling of Australia's response. And it's about mental health and wellbeing.

Professor Murphy's 'We are waiting for a vaccine' has moved to 'I want to see it stop transmission', then 'we won't stop transmission because of children under 16' [who aren't currently part of the vaccination program].

Those messages are inconsistent with the current narrative from the PM and CHO.

Professor Murphy has medical information and data. But that's just part of the story. For example whether or not society is willing to accept a level of risk, like we do with the flu, is not a decision for the Health Secretary.

 

[oznflfan]

'The situation' is about building confidence in the government's vaccination program. It's about maintaining confidence in the government's handling of Australia's response. And it's about mental health and wellbeing.

Professor Murphy's 'We are waiting for a vaccine' has moved to 'I want to see it stop transmission', then 'we won't stop transmission because of children under 16' [who aren't currently part of the vaccination program].

Those messages are inconsistent with the current narrative from the PM and CHO.

Professor Murphy has medical information and data. But that's just part of the story. For example whether or not society is willing to accept a level of risk, like we do with the flu, is not a decision for the Health Secretary.

I think Murphy has calmed down a bit with last couple of interviews. Interestingly, that three way zoom interview with media and PM on youtube last week he actually looked a little sheepish when talking in conjunction with PM. Perhaps PM told him to dial down the negativity?

 

[burmans]

'The situation' is about building confidence in the government's vaccination program. It's about maintaining confidence in the government's handling of Australia's response. And it's about mental health and wellbeing.

Professor Murphy's 'We are waiting for a vaccine' has moved to 'I want to see it stop transmission', then 'we won't stop transmission because of children under 16' [who aren't currently part of the vaccination program].

Those messages are inconsistent with the current narrative from the PM and CHO.

Professor Murphy has medical information and data. But that's just part of the story. For example whether or not society is willing to accept a level of risk, like we do with the flu, is not a decision for the Health Secretary.

While I agree that Professor Murphy and others can be at times be overly cautious that’s his job. Frankly we have seen quite a lot of optimism from Scommo and other politicians in recent times and if anything it’s them whose (over) confidence doesn’t match reality. Just being confident and wanting things to get better won’t actually make it so, and being overly confident and seeing those confident predictions fail is even more harmful to mental health and well-being.

 

[drron]

India has denied Emergency authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine.

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www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[Must...Fly!]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357715616053014528

 

[burmans]

Shame that nowhere else has a vaccination program that looks to role the vaccine out anywhere as fast as Israel then! By the time we start they will be about 75% complete.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Shame that nowhere else has a vaccination program that looks to role the vaccine out anywhere as fast as Israel then! By the time we start they will be about 75% complete.

What infections do we need a vaccine immediately for

There's more cases of HIV diagnosed daily in Australia than covid in the community at the moment

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What infections do we need a vaccine immediately for

So that we can lift/increase arrivals caps.

So that we can prevent border closures, or perhaps more importantly, stop the need for massive disruption for testing and isolation if a case escapes quarantine.

 

[Must...Fly!]

So that we can lift/increase arrivals caps.

So that we can prevent border closures, or perhaps more importantly, stop the need for massive disruption for testing and isolation if a case escapes quarantine.

So nothing truly immediate then

I'm missing my family terribly but I wouldn't want a vaccination now at the expense of someone in Europe, UK, USA, etc getting one where there is an actual threat to face

Bring on the Oxford vaccine, produced on shore, our sovereign supply to use as we see fit.

The "reduced effectiveness"panic in South Africa seems odd to me. Government is as corrupt as anything there, there is no reason why they should be stopping vaccinations. The vaccine is still perfectly capable of preventing serious illness and death.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm missing my family terribly but I wouldn't want a vaccination now at the expense of someone in Europe, UK, USA, etc getting one where there is an actual threat to face

Hmmm. I don't disagree... but... some of this they have brought on themselves. Although I acknowledge you can't really blame the vulnerable and elderly.. they weren't the ones wanting summer holidays in Mallorca and Ibiza.

Maybe I would prioritise our elderly, vulnerable and front-line workers before the general population of Europe/UK/USA.

 

[moa999]

So that we can lift/increase arrivals caps.

Arguably we'd be better finding a way to vaccinate Australians overseas who want to come home before they travel.

 

[mviy]

Arguably we'd be better finding a way to vaccinate Australians overseas who want to come home before they travel.

That's really up to the goodwill of overseas governments as to whether they will facilitate that.

If you are overseas the risk you take is that our government can only provide limited diplomatic assistance if you get into trouble.

I suspect once countries have large numbers of their populations vaccinated, they will at some point if they have not vaccinated them along with citizens, want to get foreigners vaccinated making it easier for them to then return home whether voluntarily or via deportation (if visas have expired).

Once enough of the population is vaccinated there may then be able to be priority given to those seeking to do international travel, but that's probably only going to be a consideration once a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated and everyone's had an opportunity to get vaccinated except some young people. They could say do it perhaps say after everyone over 40 has had an opportunity to be vaccinated, for instance.