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[Steady]

We visited them 5 years ago, in 2012 the owners sold up. The new owners were newcomers to the area and came from a corporate background.

They have (or had) some pretty high end / expensive wines, three of their Pinots are over $90

 

[Katy]

Posting in lieu of a "Nice Wines I Will Drink in 15 Years" thread; snuck in a trip to the Barossa while in ADL for a wedding rehearsal

 

[Steady]

Posting in lieu of a "Nice Wines I Will Drink in 15 Years" thread

I'm looking forward to doing the same

 

[Katy]

I'm looking forward to doing the same

I have you to thank for alerting us to the fact that they were finally available at the cellar door!

 

[Snoopydoo]

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Posting in lieu of a "Nice Wines I Will Drink in 15 Years" thread; snuck in a trip to the Barossa while in ADL for a wedding rehearsal

A friend of a friend treated us to this wine a couple of months back and I've been dreaming of it ever since. Enjoy!

 

[sigmadelta]

TWF's CM has just awarded 96 to the 2016 Mr Horrocks Watervale riesling. I have a bottle, not tried yet, but I've just grabbed 3 more from Mycellars.

 

[bad]

2012 E. GUIGAL La Las AMEX OFFER!!!!

This is the Guigal La La's on PRE RELEASE ALLOCATION TO AMEX CENTURION CUSTOMERS ONLY UNTIL THURSDAY!!!

RRP is $800 a bottle you can have it for $699 per bottle !

The price will be more expensive when we release them for sale on Thursday to other clients if any stock is left as only 24 bottles of each are available

Please let me know if you would like me to arrange any of these for you , with free delivery also



Hope to hear from you.


Cheers

Senior Wine Broker





BAD ..... Probably very good never heard of it the price I cannot afford ..... Despite being 100 cheaper. Anybody interested?

average price on wine searcher is 375 AUD

 

[qaz]

This is the Guigal La La's on PRE RELEASE ALLOCATION TO AMEX CENTURION CUSTOMERS ONLY UNTIL THURSDAY!!!

not quite - https://www.langtons.com.au/search?query=guigal&IncludeBuyNow=true

The price will be more expensive when we release them for sale on Thursday to other clients

doubt it

BAD ..... Probably very good never heard of it the price I cannot afford

they're some of the greatest and most famous - and expensive - Rhône wines

 

[Major]

Back in the 70's I attended a wine appreciation course and one of the first topics was using the 20 point system to decide the merits of your wine.

From memory it was something like

4 points...colour & clarity
4 points... bouquet
8 points...body / texture / flavour / taste
4 points...overall quality

Does anyone still use this system and if so what would be the benefit over the 100 point system ?

 

[rhodges]

Back in the 70's I attended a wine appreciation course and one of the first topics was using the 20 point system to decide the merits of your wine.

From memory it was something like

4 points...colour & clarity
4 points... bouquet
8 points...body / texture / flavour / taste
4 points...overall quality

Does anyone still use this system and if so what would be the benefit over the 100 point system ?

I don't know, it seems wrong to me that colour & clarity should count for as much as either bouquet or overall quality. If I could save $60 a bottle by ignoring the colour & clarity of a 15-point wine that was particularly awful on those counts, I sure as hell would. Maybe it just doesn't come into play and you always give either 3 or 4 in that category. In which case, why bother, I wonder.

Did find this too, which is a bit of fun: https://www.jancisrobinson.com/files/pdfs/CT_score_equivalents.pdf

 

[Steady]

As I am interested in opinions on my situation, but it is OT for the "Vintec wine cellar offer", I have moved the quote here.

The lower the temp the harder you make the fridge work to maintain that temp.

There is no need to have it too cold.

I keep my reds at 15 and my whites/champagne at 12.

I hear the compressor in my fridges come on about once a day only.

I agree that that the lower a cooling device is set, the harder it will work. I also know that how hard and individual unit works will also be affected by many other things, it is not limited to just the temperature setting. Some I can think of include; how full / empty it is, how much airflow / space is around it, the geographic location, and if it is located in a conditioned environment or not. I am sure there are other variables, and that some would make more difference then others.

Due to where I live, I set mine on 11 but am thinking of lowering it to 10. The Vintec's I have are cooling only, so over winter there is a long period where mine do not kick in at all.

Is 11 too low? maybe? but at least the wine only varies in temp around 2 - 2.5 deg over a year, if I set mine on 15 deg it would vary 7 - 7.5 deg. From everything I read, temperature fluctuations are more detrimental.

Curious to hear others thoughts on storing wine at less than 12 deg.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Is 11 too low? maybe? but at least the wine only varies in temp around 2 - 2.5 deg over a year, if I set mine on 15 deg it would vary 7 - 7.5 deg. From everything I read, temperature fluctuations are more detrimental.

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

 

[Steady]

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

Which conclusion AC?

That temperature fluctuations are not good for storing wine

That 11 deg maybe seen as too low
or

That I currently believe it is less detrimental to store wine at 11 deg with a variance of 2.5 deg, then have it vary 7.5 deg (from 8.5 deg up to 15 deg)

I don't know that I could pinpoint one place that brought me to setting my units on 11 deg - I guess I have just read info from various sites. I don't necessarily feel that confident in knowing what is correct, and I guess that is why I am throwing my decision open for comments/discussion.

 

[Major]

I missed the original discussion. Are we simply discussing the best temp to store wines or is there something else ?

 

[AnonymousCoward]

That I currently believe it is less detrimental to store wine at 11 deg with a variance of 2.5 deg, then have it vary 7.5 deg (from 8.5 deg up to 15 deg)

The conclusion that if you set it to 11 degrees you'll experience 2.5 degree variance. But if you set it to 15 degrees, the wine will experience 8.5 degree variance. I would expect the internal variance in the fridge to remain the same no matter what temp it's set to.

 

[Steady]

I missed the original discussion. Are we simply discussing the best temp to store wines or is there something else ?

Yes, just wine storage temperatures

The conclusion that if you set it to 11 degrees you'll experience 2.5 degree variance. But if you set it to 15 degrees, the wine will experience 8.5 degree variance. I would expect the internal variance in the fridge to remain the same no matter what temp it's set to.

I come to this conclusion as my units are in a shed and during winter in Tassie the average temperature is below 11 deg for 3+ months. Over the last 4-5 months I monitored the temperature gauge every few days (when I could) so I know the fridge cooled down to a minimum of 8.5 deg. It didn't jump up and down over the course of a day or week but gradually went down and has just come back up to 11 where the cooling unit will keep it from going above. The unit would need to be able to heat to keep the internal temp at 11 when the ambient is well below that for a long period of time.

 

[Major]

I have a 175 bottle VinoVault for my wine. The shelves are set for the smaller Bordeaux bottles so when I have larger Burgundy size (pinot noir/chardonnay) there is no way I can fit that quantity in.

I have mine set at 18° and am quite happy with that. If the power goes off when we are away then the default setting is 12°. When we return I put it back to 18°.

If we are away during summer and not able to turn on the room air con then the ambient can reach up to 40°. This is very rare but does happen. I used to lose a lot of good wine until I bought the wine fridge.

With this sort of consistency I have had no failures for many years now. Even if I open the door to select a wine the temp jumps to 21 or 22° in less than a minute but I don't see that as a problem.

I looked at recommendations from several sources but did not find anything suggesting such a low temp setting as yours. I suppose it's a matter of what works for you.

Not sure what your current ambient is but I am in T shirt & shorts at the moment

 

[beefarmer]

There was this money trader who used to convert dollars for customers. He had fluctuations as well, but not to the same degree. Which reminds me...

 

[AnonymousCoward]

I come to this conclusion as my units are in a shed and during winter in Tassie the average temperature is below 11 deg for 3+ months. Over the last 4-5 months I monitored the temperature gauge every few days (when I could) so I know the fridge cooled down to a minimum of 8.5 deg. It didn't jump up and down over the course of a day or week but gradually went down and has just come back up to 11 where the cooling unit will keep it from going above. The unit would need to be able to heat to keep the internal temp at 11 when the ambient is well below that for a long period of time.

Ah, I get it now - your ambient temp is below the fridge temp. Most people in Aus don't have that problem, hence needing fridge functions
I don't think 11 degrees, or even 10 or 9, is going to be bad for your wine at all.

 

[qaz]

Tim Wildman MW: The six most disruptive wine trends in Australia (Part 1)

(1 Viticulture, 2 Journalism, 3 Chardonnay)