WSI for Western Sydney Airport

[Lynda2475]

The demographic centre of Sydney is Rosehill, beside Parramatta.

Which demographic ? Assuming you mean population distribution? Note that Rosehill is closer to SYD than WSI by 12km.

At the very least it should hopefully force SYD into some major works ( a bulldozer would be best)

Notice those throwing the most hate on SYD dont even live in Sydney (or NSW). Sure the QF lounges need a renovation (not bull dozing) but its far better connected by public transport than Melbourne and is nice and close to the city and is served well by a variety of airlines. Simple improvements like removing curfew and free transfer from DOM-INT by train solve most issues.

 

[justinbrett]

Absolutely the government got it wrong with rail but as others have mentioned it one day might get the required infrastructure. Being government owned and operated it’s in their interests to not let it become a white elephant.
The length of time is the key factor, it’s not going to suddenly overtake SYD and indeed will probably struggle for a while but in 30 or 40 years who knows. At the very least it should hopefully force SYD into some major works ( a bulldozer would be best)
It would be rather ironic though if the government paid airlines to take some services out there especially QR

I guess have a chat with MEL…

We all know how infrastructure in this country works. Any retrofit will be decades later at exponential cost. And so, they mostly never happen.

As for being government owned that thing will be sold off quicker than Taylor Swift’s new album.

I don’t understand the hate for SYD. T3 is a really nice terminal. I also have no problems with T1, sure the transit between the two could be better but that’s a much easier fix than providing proper PT to WSI.

I will admit T2 is pretty bad but I guess that’s up to VA and JQ to lobby for.

 

[jase05]

Which demographic ? Assuming you mean population distribution? Note that Rosehill is closer to SYD than WSI by 12km.



Notice those throwing the most hate on SYD dont even live in Sydney (or NSW). SYD is my main airport. The QF lounges need a renovation (not bull dozing) but its far better connected by public transport than Melbourne and is nice and close to the city and is served well by a variety of airlines.

You do realise that there

I guess have a chat with MEL…

We all know how infrastructure in this country works. Any retrofit will be decades later at exponential cost. And so, they mostly never happen.

As for being government owned that thing will be sold off quicker than Taylor Swift’s new album.

I don’t understand the hate for SYD. T3 is a really nice terminal. I also have no problems with T1, sure the transit between the two could be better but that’s a much easier fix than providing proper PT to WSI.

I will admit T2 is pretty bad but I guess that’s up to VA and JQ to lobby for.

As I’ve said, time will tell.
In 30-40 years we will either look back and laugh or cry or perhaps even a bit of both.
It’s going to make me a stack of money so that’s all that matters

 

[SYD]

In 30-40 years we will either look back and laugh or cry or perhaps even a bit of both.
It’s going to make me a stack of money so that’s all that matters

I’ll be laughing if I’m still alive - I might have made QF LTP by then. They better have a bloody good F lounge out there by then….

 

[Lynda2475]

I’ll be laughing if I’m still alive - I might have made QF LTP by then. They better have a bloody good F lounge out there by then….

Given the older average age of members here, few AFFers will be around in 30 let alone 40 years to see. I plan to still be here then BUT still avoiding WSI.

Don't think there will be an F lounge there as doubt any of the F routes which for QF will likley only be the ULH JFK, LHR and maybe CDG will be flying from WSI as majority of those who can afford to fly F and QF J live closer to SYD. The outer west has much lower incomes.

 

[ayebee]

Absolutely the government got it wrong with rail but as others have mentioned it one day might get the required infrastructure.

Not being in Sydney, haven't paid much attention to WSI, but I thought the rail connection was being built for when the airport opened ??
Sad thing for us in Melbourne is this greenfields site will have a rail connection well before Melbourne :-(

 

[dajop]

Not being in Sydney, haven't paid much attention to WSI, but I thought the rail connection was being built for when the airport opened ??
Sad thing for us in Melbourne is this greenfields site will have a rail connection well before Melbourne :-(

It will have a rail connection but the one it will have would be equivalent to MEL having a rail connection to Broadmeadows where you change trains to travel to the CBD . That’s what travellers will need to do to travel to the Western Sydney CBD (Parramatta) or indeed the Sydney CBD.

 

[justinbrett]

Not being in Sydney, haven't paid much attention to WSI, but I thought the rail connection was being built for when the airport opened ??
Sad thing for us in Melbourne is this greenfields site will have a rail connection well before Melbourne :-(

In typical Australian fashion they went with the cheaper option - it’s getting a Metro connection that runs and terminates in St Marys, and from there it’s existing heavy rail to Central. It’s 60 minutes from St Marys to Central plus the metro connection - around 90 minutes all up, and close to 2 hours between SYD and WSI.

You do realise that there

As I’ve said, time will tell.
In 30-40 years we will either look back and laugh or cry or perhaps even a bit of both.
It’s going to make me a stack of money so that’s all that matters

I think you’re putting far too much pressure on it. Let’s get it open and get it doing its core job serving domestic routes first, as that is not a given. Just have a chat with the Germans about BER.

The last thing we need is another Bonza type organisation that overreaches and fails spectacularly, particularly if the government is involved!

 

[SYD]

Not being in Sydney, haven't paid much attention to WSI, but I thought the rail connection was being built for when the airport opened ??
Sad thing for us in Melbourne is this greenfields site will have a rail connection well before Melbourne :-(

The metro line extension being built runs north / south. WSI is 60 kms west of the CBD…. The Ven diagram of WSI metro patronage and CBD commuters is two non-overlapping circles.

For Melbournians, that would be akin to a metro line between Geelong and Ballarat via AVV.

 

[ayebee]

Thanks (dajop, justinbrett & syd) for the clarifications on the rail infrastructure.
I doubt I will ever pass through WSI given the odd occasion I go to Sydney it is to visit folks in the Eastern and southern burbs. Also, can't imagine needing WSI for an international transfer as if it is not QF then there will be a direct from MEL.

 

[tdimdad]

It can never be as good as SYD based on the fact unlike SYD it is absolutely no where near Sydney proper.

Depends on how you look at Sydney and what is 'Sydney proper'? WSI is firmly within the greater Sydney / metropolitan Sydney area.

In fact, if you look at a map, the travel times from SYD to Parramatta CBD by car at a fast time are 30 mins (using M4 with astronomical tolls) and 50 mins by train. Guess what, Bradfield (closest approximation to WSI on the map now) to Parra CBD is just a tiny fraction more (rail is 30 mins from St Marys + whatever the metro will take).

Essentially, SYD is optimal for the eastern suburbs and Northern Beaches / North Shore. For everyone else, WSI might be much more optimal.

My own guess is that 80% of the business & premium traffic will remain in SYD for now because of the proximity to the CBD (as it is now). The more price sensitive traffic may perhaps move to WSI, at least to start with, with a sprinkling of business/premium, especially as the Central and Western Sydney areas gradually gain more strength.

 

[SYD]

Essentially, SYD is optimal for the eastern suburbs and Northern Beaches / North Shore. For everyone else, WSI might be much more optimal.

No, not really. Even as far west as Parramatta would be a coin toss between the two.

But geography aside, it’ll come down to what’s actually on offer from WSI.

 

[jpp42]

I do not think they should have been allowed to put the word Sydney in the name, as it's ridiculously misleading.

I don't know if anyone gatekeeps the names like this. The local authority can pick whatever they want.

Look at "New York Stewart Airport" - 100km and 1.5 hours from NYC, or "Paris-Beauvais Airport" at 80km away from Paris itself ... there are plenty more examples.

 

[justinbrett]

I don't know if anyone gatekeeps the names like this. The local authority can pick whatever they want.

Look at "New York Stewart Airport" - 100km and 1.5 hours from NYC, or "Paris-Beauvais Airport" at 80km away from Paris itself ... there are plenty more examples.

SFO is trying to. And OAK is closer to downtown SF than WSI is to Sydney CBD.

If I recall correctly, WTB was pressured in to removing Brisbane from its name by the Lord Mayor.

However I personally don’t have a problem with WSI having Sydney its name, as long as it has a capital W, referring to the city of Western Sydney, not just generally west Sydney.

As a former Eastern Suburbs resident west Sydney to me is Marrickville

 

[jase05]

I don't know if anyone gatekeeps the names like this. The local authority can pick whatever they want.

Look at "New York Stewart Airport" - 100km and 1.5 hours from NYC, or "Paris-Beauvais Airport" at 80km away from Paris itself ... there are plenty more examples.

Yes, many years ago I made the unfortunate and dumb mistake of flying into Frankfurt-Hahn on a bargain basement Ryanair ticket. I found out the hard way that it’s over 120km to Frankfurt by road

 

[SYD]

SFO is trying to. And OAK is closer to downtown SF than WSI is to Sydney CBD.

If I recall correctly, WTB was pressured in to removing Brisbane from its name by the Lord Mayor.

However I personally don’t have a problem with WSI having Sydney its name, as long as it has a capital W, referring to the city of Western Sydney, not just generally west Sydney.

As a former Eastern Suburbs resident west Sydney to me is Marrickville

Um, anything west of George Street!

 

[justinbrett]

Um, anything west of George Street!

I had two good friends there, one in Marrickville and the other in Artarmon. We all complained about having to travel to each others places and generally compromised by meeting up somewhere in the city. Sydneysiders are well known for staying in their areas.

WSI may as well have been in Canberra.

 

[SYD]

WSI may as well have been in Canberra.

Several MPs pushed for that!

HS Train between Sydney CBD and Canberra via SYD and CBR could have been interesting?

I‘m sure some are already referring to it as EPI (East Perth Airport).

 

[AIRwin]

Look at "New York Stewart Airport" - 100km and 1.5 hours from NYC

It's in NY state though

 

[dairyfloss]

I had two good friends there, one in Marrickville and the other in Artarmon. We all complained about having to travel to each others places and generally compromised by meeting up somewhere in the city. Sydneysiders are well known for staying in their areas.

WSI may as well have been in Canberra.

Can be quicker to go to SYD and fly to CBR than it takes to get to parts of the west from Sydney's East and North