The totally off-topic thread

[anat0l]

Doesn't someone need 245SCs by November 30.:idea:

Really? Do you think he'll make it? Or will he drop like some of us?

That would be me.

 

[JohnK]

I came to Australia on a 457 visa, and later an 856 employer sponsored PR. so basically in incompetent?

Just another of your lazy flippant tar everybody with the same brush, the whole works is out to get JohnK remarks.....

Good on you. You are one of the success stories.

 

[whatmeworry]

In Australia it is not so easy for experienced people to find work let alone graduates.

Why? Because the government is granting 457 visas to incompetent cheap overseas labour while Australian citizens are out of work.

Sounds fair right? Fills up their quotas?

Am I being harsh?

Anyone have an issue with my statement come and speak to me personally. Come and visit my office in Brisbane so you can witness the incompetence first hand.

I don't know about incompetent. But the way the structure was setup it seems most of the 457 visa coming in are the white collar/professionals that are not really needed considering how many professionals are out of work.
IT workers, in particularly have seen no wage growth because of the abuse of the 457 visa system.
Other professionals have also have found it tough because of the lax visa rules when it comes to students on completion of their course.

I came to Australia on a 457 visa, and later an 856 employer sponsored PR. so basically I'm incompetent?

Just another of your lazy flippant tar everybody with the same brush, the whole works is out to get JohnK remarks.....

The Rok I don't know if your incompetent but do you earn as much now as someone that is a citizen and when you came on a 457 did you earn less then someone with the same experience as you who could have done the same job you got?

I know from a number of sources that various visa schemes have been abused by employers over the last decade in many industries, with many that don't really have a real shortage of qualified workers.

 

[The Rok]

I don't know about incompetent. But the way the structure was setup it seems most of the 457 visa coming in are the white collar/professionals that are not really needed considering how many professionals are out of work.
IT workers, in particularly have seen no wage growth because of the abuse of the 457 visa system.
Other professionals have also have found it tough because of the lax visa rules when it comes to students on completion of their course.



The Rok I don't know if your incompetent but do you earn as much now as someone that is a citizen and when you came on a 457 did you earn less then someone with the same experience as you who could have done the same job you got?

I know from a number of sources that various visa schemes have been abused by employers over the last decade in many industries, with many that don't really have a real shortage of qualified workers.

I don't know, I'm paid similar to most of my colleagues, maybe slightly more, but that is because of the effort I put in, not my visa status.

When I arrived here on a 457 I was earning about 2.5 times the mandated minimum for the role I was recruited for according to the DIAC guidelines then.

I don't doubt there are some abusing the system, but to suggest that you can't get a job or are somehow hard done by in society because of the 457 visas is a little absurd. The only exception I would make to that comment is if you work in IT, as I believe that is where the vast majority of rorting of the system is occurring.

 

[cove]

With 47% of Australians now 50 years old or older our country will need plenty of younger workers who can do the jobs.
There are very few jobs in Ireland so we are getting loads of Irish coming to Australia and they are prepared to work hard.

 

[Mal]

I never recommend IT as a career for young people. I have seen the booms and the busts. I also deal with outsourced IT on a daily basis (Yes I help the outsourced IT make things work... And trust me, there are some serious issues at times).
If you do want to be in IT. Find yourself some niche that is hard to outsource. Project manager is a very nice role that is hard to outsource.... (As one example).

 

[TheEmu]

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There are very few jobs in Ireland so we are getting loads of Irish coming to Australia and they are prepared to work hard.

Admittedly my experience with Irish new to Australia is limited, but (with that experience) I'd say they're also prepared to drink pretty hard as well! :mrgreen:

 

[Pollywaffle]

I never recommend IT as a career for young people. I have seen the booms and the busts. I also deal with outsourced IT on a daily basis (Yes I help the outsourced IT make things work... And trust me, there are some serious issues at times).
If you do want to be in IT. Find yourself some niche that is hard to outsource. Project manager is a very nice role that is hard to outsource.... (As one example).

A role with a h*ll of a lot of headaches attached. LOL. Good PMs are few and far between.

 

[anat0l]

Unsure if it was noticed, but for those who have configured the maximum number of posts per page, this is page 666 of The Totally Off-Topic thread.

 

[erkpod]

Unsure if it was noticed, but for those who have configured the maximum number of posts per page, this is page 666 of The Totally Off-Topic thread.

Before I changed it on the website, I was on page 2661. The app says I'm on page 533.

 

[NM]

Find yourself some niche that is hard to outsource. Project manager is a very nice role that is hard to outsource.... (As one example).

But its easy for companies to "off-shore" the PM role to a "LCC" (Low Cost Centre). In many cases, its not successful, but it is cheaper (in the short-term at least).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

it should be fairly straight forward... any 457 visa should only be issued after an advertisement for a resident has been made, and the position is still unable to be filled. the job ad, and supporting evidence (numbers of applications and why none were suitable) should be sent with any 457 application. simples.

 

[erkpod]

Hard to believe but true:

This time last week, I was in the BNE Vlounge.

This time last month, I was doing a day trip to DRW as a part of my Festival of Erk

This time in 101 days, I'll be on a VA jet plane heading to the US.

 

[Flashback]

But its easy for companies to "off-shore" the PM role to a "LCC" (Low Cost Centre). In many cases, its not successful, but it is cheaper (in the short-term at least).

Indeed and looks to be costing certain companies quite a lot in the long term now....

 

[mono88]

Hard to believe but true:

This time last week, I was in the BNE Vlounge.

This time last month, I was doing a day trip to DRW as a part of my Festival of Erk

This time in 101 days, I'll be on a VA jet plane heading to the US.

"They seek him here, they seek him there, those AFFers seek him everywhere."
Apologies to Scarlet Pimpernel by Baroness E. Orczy

 

[Mal]

But its easy for companies to "off-shore" the PM role to a "LCC" (Low Cost Centre). In many cases, its not successful, but it is cheaper (in the short-term at least).

True, but it is slightly harder to outsource IMHO.

 

[NM]

Indeed and looks to be costing certain companies quite a lot in the long term now....

Indeed!!! Just as with airlines, where using a LCC (Low Cost Carrier) may not always provide the best outcome, off-shoring project functions to LCC (Cost Cost Centres) does not always provide the lowest overall cost for a project.

 

[mono88]

Indeed!!! Just as with airlines, where using a LCC (Low Cost Carrier) may not always provide the best outcome, off-shoring project functions to LCC (Cost Cost Centres) does not always provide the lowest overall cost for a project.

Off-shoring project functions to LCC's may provide the best outcome to the company overall, even if overall cost is higher, depending on the project objectives and deliverables. Cost is not the only driver of projects but "value for the cost" is very important.

 

[deejo77]

What is worse is the visa for successful business man and women....... I have seen a number in the last 6 mths that they open a company here run at a loss for the required number of years get permanent residence, close the business and just funnel the money in from overseas paying nothing in taxes. Its eye opening.

 

[NM]

Off-shoring project functions to LCC's may provide the best outcome to the company overall, even if overall cost is higher, depending on the project objectives and deliverables. Cost is not the only driver of projects but "value for the cost" is very important.

As with many things, it depends on the industry and the measures of success.