Qantas Block Partner Earn on Competitor Routes

[serfty]

Any ideas as to what has changed [to Qantas Frequent Flyer Terms]?

Looks like Section 9.1.5 has been moved to 9.1.6 and a new 9.1.5 added:

9.1.5 A member of a oneworld Member Airline or Airline Partner loyalty program will not earn that program’s loyalty points or status credits on any Qantas domestic flight where the oneworld Member Airline or Airline Partner permits their program points or status credits to be earned directly or indirectly on any non-Qantas Group flight on the same domestic route (where that domestic flight does not form part of a Qantas marketed international itinerary).

Maybe a dig at QR and their relationship with VA?

 

[aus_flyer]

Looks like Section 9.1.5 has been moved to 9.1.6 and a new 9.1.5 added:

Maybe a dig at QR and their relationship with VA?

This is bizarre. Yes appears to be a dig at QR but why is this being included in the Qantas Frequent Flyer T&Cs when it relates to point/SC earn in another FF program? Strange.

 

[serfty]

This is bizarre. Yes appears to be a dig at QR but why is this being included in the Qantas Frequent Flyer T&Cs when it relates to point/SC earn in another FF program? Strange.

It is weird, seems more petulance than anything else.

I presume Qantas pay commission on partner airline miles/points earned on Qantas services. Fly MEL-SYD on QF, crediting to AAdvantage and earn miles. QF pay commission to American Airlines for the miles earned.

Credit to QR Privilege Club for the same journey and Qantas refuse to pay QR since VA also fly that route and you can earn QR Avios on VA.

 

[aus_flyer]

It is weird, seems more petulance than anything else.

I presume Qantas pay commission on partner airline miles/points earned on Qantas services. Fly MEL-SYD on QF, crediting to AAdvantage and earn miles. QF pay commission to American Airlines for the miles earned.

Credit to QR Privilege Club for the same journey and Qantas refuse to pay QR since VA also fly that route and you can earn QR Avios on VA.

They’re going to need good systems to identify domestic flights not part of an international itinerary

 

[serfty]

They’re going to need good systems to identify domestic flights not part of an international itinerary

True, however this part of the para helps them with that:

Qantas marketed international itinerary

So, only on an 081- ticket.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Do I understand correctly that:
- QF domestic flights where flyer has QR/another oneworld FFP#, won't earn any points/SC into their other airline account if not on an international itinerary and the same sector is operated by a competitor where that flyer could earn points/SC into that program?

Example: MEL-SYD on QF as a QR Platinum, based in MEL, flying full fare biz class. Would earn zero accrual into QR?

 

[serfty]

Example: MEL-SYD on QF as a QR Platinum, based in MEL, flying full fare biz class. Would earn zero accrual into QR?

Seems to be the case.

A QR Privilege Club member can earn QR Avios on a VA flight on the same route, so by that rule change, yes, no earn to QR if travelling QF.

 

[antycbr]

Seems to be the case.

A QR Privilege Club member can earn QR Avios on a VA flight on the same route, so by that rule change, yes, no earn to QR if travelling QF.

This seems remarkable as a QR program member you’re bound by the QR terms, you’re not a QF member so not bound by their terms from a contractual perspective.

Imagine if before a flight you had to interpret all operating airline FF programs to find out what you earn. It’s hard enough to keep track of one program!

 

[serfty]

This seems remarkable as a QR program member you’re bound by the QR terms, you’re not a QF member so not bound by their terms from a contractual perspective.

I suspect QF won't pay QR for the Avios earn.

 

[jase05]

Seems to be the case.

A QR Privilege Club member can earn QR Avios on a VA flight on the same route, so by that rule change, yes, no earn to QR if travelling QF.

Unless I’m missing something domestic flights in Australia have never been eligible to earn on QR unless part of an International itinerary.

 

[serfty]

Unless I’m missing something domestic flights in Australia have never been eligible to earn on QR unless part of an International itinerary.

There are such no caveats on Qantas.com: Qantas Frequent Flyer Earn Category tables

However, see next post. This does tighten things up with "Qantas marketed international itinerary".

And, still there's the strange "non Qantas group" ban.

 

[kpro]

Imagine if before a flight you had to interpret all operating airline FF programs to find out what you earn. It’s hard enough to keep track of one program!

The information is on Qatar's website as well, so you wouldn't need to read QF's terms to be aware of this detail. Odd that Qantas would explicitly state this in their program terms though.

Accrual on Qantas domestic flights are only eligible when they are in conjunction with an international flight marketed by either Qantas or Qatar Airways on the same ticket.

 

[antycbr]

I suspect QF won't pay QR for the Avios earn.

That’s a matter for QR to put into their program terms. As I mentioned as a QR member you’re bound by their terms not QF.

 

[RichardMEL]

One of those examples where global alliances are not always as seamless and consistent as one might think (also see QF/MH).

hmm.. I wonder what the common element is here

 

[oz_mark]

Unless I’m missing something domestic flights in Australia have never been eligible to earn on QR unless part of an International itinerary.

Correct, and it has to be a QR or QF operated international flight.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Fasten your seatbelt folks. My prediction:

QR to buy VA
QF leaves oneworld
VA joins oneworld

All the signs are there if you look hard enough.

Save this post.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Fasten your seatbelt folks. My prediction:

QR to buy VA
QF leaves oneworld
VA joins oneworld

All the signs are there if you look hard enough.

Save this post.

Quite possible! They’d just need arrangements with AA and BA (‘partners’) and we’d pretty much see no difference to what we have now in terms of connectivity. CX, MH, JL don’t really have a lot of domestic or regional benefit to QF.

 

[Captain Halliday]

Fasten your seatbelt folks. My prediction:

QR to buy VA
QF leaves oneworld
VA joins oneworld

All the signs are there if you look hard enough.

Save this post.

For heaven’s sake give us some hope…

Does QF then join *A?

 

[RichardMEL]

Interesting idea which would definitely change the landscape. It does seem Bain is gearing up to offload the polished.. I mean VA... so could work out (although I wonder if QR has learned from the folly of major investments in other struggling airline groups by a near neighbour ......)... so yes could make sense. VA could then go Avois too and make a great (ahem) three-way with QR and BA. Woo

SQ, AC, UA would likely be dumped.. so would QF then join Star? Hard to tell if NZ and SQ would be happy with that or not (remember that brief flirtation SQ and QF had around 10 or so years back iirc?)

massive upheaval if so.... I can't see QF going to SkyTeam and they would be a lame duck going it alone so.....

well... may we live in interesting times.

 

[jase05]

Interesting idea which would definitely change the landscape. It does seem Bain is gearing up to offload the polished.. I mean VA... so could work out (although I wonder if QR has learned from the folly of major investments in other struggling airline groups by a near neighbour ......)... so yes could make sense. VA could then go Avois too and make a great (ahem) three-way with QR and BA. Woo

SQ, AC, UA would likely be dumped.. so would QF then join Star? Hard to tell if NZ and SQ would be happy with that or not (remember that brief flirtation SQ and QF had around 10 or so years back iirc?)

massive upheaval if so.... I can't see QF going to SkyTeam and they would be a lame duck going it alone so.....

well... may we live in interesting times.

I’ve still got a sneaky suspicion that UA will have a nibble at the VA stake