2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Is it coincidental that all the photos of Turnbull talking to Trump, show Turnbull standing up?

At attention?

 

[vetrade]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

This might help explain the central american refugee problem-
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-central-american-refugee-crisis

Do you have a research assistant to find all that "stuff" drron?

 

[Deleted member]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

an alternate view of Mr Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZRe1kPWZw

 

[coriander]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

an alternate view of Mr Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZRe1kPWZw

And in 9 seconds goes to the Biggus D*ckus sketch .... pure gold!

 

[Moindardt]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Well if the reports are true, our closet leftie PM thoroughly deserved it. From the USA's perspective, what could be dumber than taking another country's illegals when they have more than enough of their own already. Even Obama deported about 2 million (IIRC) illegal immigrants (a fact many conveniently forget)

What could be dumber? Australia trying to deter illegals by sending the ones that we have to America! They would have all been so heart broken at finding out they would go to America. I wish the Liberals had learnt from the failed experiment that was Malcolm Fraser. I don't think Trump could have been more right.

 

[Quickstatus]

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Left wing activists against first amendment right to free speech by violent riots and protests cancelling speech by right wing speaker at Berkerley University. Not unusual.


Protectors of safe spaces only not of free speech. Intolerance.

 

[get me outta here]

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Those supposedly going to the US were part of a swap, and have been found to be refugees. Unless of course one thinks that all refugees are also "illegals".

Well if the reports are true, our closet leftie PM thoroughly deserved it. From the USA's perspective, what could be dumber than taking another country's illegals when they have more than enough of their own already. Even Obama deported about 2 million (IIRC) illegal immigrants (a fact many conveniently forget)

 

[dajop]

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Left wing activists against first amendment right to free speech by violent riots and protests cancelling speech by right wing speaker at Berkerley University. Not unusual.


Protectors of safe spaces only not of free speech. Intolerance.

I suspect most on the so called "left" side of politics would agree with you. Left wing "activists" are often the mirror reflection of klansmen and naz_'s - to expect them to uphold anything that tolerates a worldview divergent to their own is fanciful. Just as most of the so called "right" disown extremists, so do most on the left.

In the meantime, I think everyone on all sides of politics, should just take a chill pill, and whatever their religion, get out and pray for better ratings for The Apprentice.

 

[drron]

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In the meantime, I think everyone on all sides of politics, should just take a chill pill, and whatever their religion, get out and pray for better ratings for The Apprentice.

So you're Terminated.:shock:

 

[Moindardt]

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I suspect most on the so called "left" side of politics would agree with you. Left wing "activists" are often the mirror reflection of klansmen and naz_'s - to expect them to uphold anything that tolerates a worldview divergent to their own is fanciful. Just as most of the so called "right" disown extremists, so do most on the left.

If you are a leftie and you disagree with them, that would make you amongst a very small minority. As many years of PC politics has shown, the left only believe in their free speech. You can imagine the uproar if a right wing extremist had the behaviour of what is now regarded as moderate left wing behaviour. The standard definitions of bigot, racist, sexist etc are only possible for the right wing according to our leftie friends, despite the fact they fit these definitions perfectly. Only the left shuts down free speech if it doesn't agree with it, only the left refuses to acknowledge that other people might not see the world the same way, only the left would support policies purely based on race, only the left would think a quota based on sex rather than merit is acceptable. Just look at the threats that are levelled against people who don't support gay marriage. It is actually illegal to level those same threats at a gay person. Just look at the double standards that the Labor and Greens constantly display towards the coalition. If a coalition member used the term "womansplaining" they would have been made to quit parliament.

Most people on the left are happy to extol what wonderful virtues they have while demanding someone else pays for their freedom to do so. I would suggest that this is the difference between the Trump crowds and the Obama crowds. It's so nice when you can rely on those very people you abuse to fund your ability and right to do so.

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[get me outta here]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

This thread has deteriorated again.

 

[dajop]

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If you are a leftie and you disagree with them, that would make you amongst a very small minority. As many years of PC politics has shown, the left only believe in their free speech.

Over simplification. Many on the "left" aren't what you describe. I know many people, who hold rather left wing views on many issues including taxation, labour rights, womens rights, economic regulation, environmental laws, universal healthcare etc, but cannot tolerate the PC brigade. Conversely, there are those who are economically right wing etc, also have a political correctness streak in them. What really pis@#s me off, every time I read about, is this artificial BS division between "lefties" and "right wingers". Most of us despite our views on economics, taxes, health care, social welfare, probably all believe a "fair go" and a have a mix of views. It is a shame that it is in our political leaders interest, and indeed the medias interest, is just to promote and exaggerate this left/right divisions.

 

[drron]

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Over simplification. Many on the "left" aren't what you describe. I know many people, who hold rather left wing views on many issues including taxation, labour rights, womens rights, economic regulation, environmental laws, universal healthcare etc, but cannot tolerate the PC brigade. Conversely, there are those who are economically right wing etc, also have a political correctness streak in them. What really pis@#s me off, every time I read about, is this artificial BS division between "lefties" and "right wingers". Most of us despite our views on economics, taxes, health care, social welfare, probably all believe a "fair go" and a have a mix of views. It is a shame that it is in our political leaders interest, and indeed the medias interest, is just to promote and exaggerate this left/right divisions.

My worry is that because of the medias campaign playing up political correctness is that we will see some of the Far Right Groups becoming more violent and confronting those Far Left groups that seem to think violence is OK.Although we have seen clashes they may very well become really violent.

 

[dajop]

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My worry is that because of the medias campaign playing up political correctness is that we will see some of the Far Right Groups becoming more violent and confronting those Far Left groups that seem to think violence is OK.Although we have seen clashes they may very well become really violent.

Yes I think you are spot on here. It's getting quite scary.

There seems to a point in time where so called "political correctness" went too far.

As examples, someone should be able to say "Women should be at home, not in the workplace" if they like, we can debate that (and call them out as someone who doesn't think women deserve a fair go), but it's crossing the line to say "Rape is OK". Say " I don't agree with gay marriage" we can argue about that (and if you run a business, and it is boycotted for this , sobeit), but say "homosexuals should be killed" is crossing a line, at least in western democracies.

 

[love_the_life]

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This thread has deteriorated again.

And like many political discussions, it's going nowhere and is now rather pointless.

 

[coriander]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Unless of course one thinks that all refugees are also "illegals".

Once again the Goebbels theory - tell a big lie often enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth. The true illegal immigrants that come to Aus do so more by plane than by boat; it is not illegal to seek asylum.

I think what we're seeing in America, and to an extent in Australia, is a polarising of views as a result of trenchant opposition to everything. IIRC, even Abbott has recently said that the Malaysian solution might have been a better way to go, but the need to constantly oppose everything to attain power overrode common sense and objective assessments.

In the US, the GOP won the election by constantly peddling lies and alt-facts, undermining and creating an atmosphere of division and distrust (eg Trump's non-stop birther attacks and allegations of voter fraud to try to de-legitimise the Democrats). Even after victory, the lies (alternative facts) continue to be trotted out (1.5 million at the inauguration, Australians to send "thousands of illegals" to the US and so on). The opposition side of politics will see that reasonable debate doesn't work with a bulls*t artist and resort to fight "fire with fire" in frustration and both sides will descend into the gutter. For example, Melania Trump doesn't deserve the level of scorn that's being heaped on her from various people on the left any more than Michelle Obama deserved to be called an "ape in high heels". The level of spite on both sides is rising, and there's a "take no prisoners" toxic atmosphere.

I don't think there would have been anywhere near the level of demonstrations and protests in the streets had (unlikeable) Clinton won. I can't remember anywhere near the level of anger in the streets for past Presidents Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan. I think you'd need to go back to LBJ - Vietnam and Nixon - Watergate to get anywhere near the level of anger you're seeing on both sides now.

 

[whatmeworry]

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If you slag off our PM, that's a bootable offence.

 

[juddles]

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Poor old USA - the country everyone loves to hate.

Citizens of Australia are (like in many countries) "up in arms" against Trump. Whereas people in the USA couldn't even name the current Australian Prime Minister. It seems they are hated for their success and importance.

As in every issue today, it is ALL media-driven.

If you all feel good despising Trump, you are suckers to that media machine. Enjoy it

Edit: Instead of worrying about Trump, how about doing something to fix the many sins existent in Australia?

 

[get me outta here]

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Apart a few people who look at things in depth and therefore tend to specialise, the media is pretty much the only way that most of us get our information. So, surely in that case most things have been and continue to be media driven.

As in every issue today, it is ALL media-driven.

If you all feel good despising Trump, you are suckers to that media machine. Enjoy it

 

[straitman]

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My one and only comment on the matter :!: