2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout
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Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]
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Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]
To add a further comment to what JT has said regarding the Terms of Service, this is a frequent flyer website - and while I appreciate this thread is in the playground and about a current event that has the ability to affect many members - the inability for members on both sides of the line to discuss the issues without getting into heated arguments and without both reporting slews of posts is alarming.
If you could see it from my perspective, overlooking from the sideline as a referee, I'm sure you would be very surprised with the behaviours exhibited by what I consider to be a fairly learned group of individuals.
To add a further comment to what JT has said regarding the Terms of Service, this is a frequent flyer website - and while I appreciate this thread is in the playground and about a current event that has the ability to affect many members - the inability for members on both sides of the line to discuss the issues without getting into heated arguments and without both reporting slews of posts is alarming.
If you could see it from my perspective, overlooking from the sideline as a referee, I'm sure you would be very surprised with the behaviours exhibited by what I consider to be a fairly learned group of individuals.
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]
It is indeed alarming, but unfortunately reflective of politics as a whole. I think the biggest threat to our democracies is this division into "left" and "right" when there's a whole spectrum of political leanings (with most of us in between the two extremes), and inability of vocal advocates on both sides to find anything positive to say about their opponents, or critically look at their own preferred party/leanings, and in turn their inability to have such discussions with any sort of respect. It is not unique to AFF! In that sense what we've seen in this thread is reflective of the whole mess that the two party (or perhaps more accurately two sided) political system is in today.
It is indeed alarming, but unfortunately reflective of politics as a whole. I think the biggest threat to our democracies is this division into "left" and "right" when there's a whole spectrum of political leanings (with most of us in between the two extremes), and inability of vocal advocates on both sides to find anything positive to say about their opponents, or critically look at their own preferred party/leanings, and in turn their inability to have such discussions with any sort of respect. It is not unique to AFF! In that sense what we've seen in this thread is reflective of the whole mess that the two party (or perhaps more accurately two sided) political system is in today.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
Commentary: Trump's visa ban isn't as new as you think | Reuters
Commentary: Trump's visa ban isn't as new as you think
For those who say "This is not who we are," look again. Sadly, it’s who we’ve always been.
President Donald Trump's executive order banning travelers and refugees from seven predominantly Muslim countries is only the latest twist of dark threads that have long been present in America. The executive order is not unprecedented. It is evolutionary.
The countries affected by Trump's executive order – Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen – have been singled out under American immigration law since the days following 9/11.
But let’s be more specific. Trump’s executive order only lists Syria by name. It refers to the other countries in reference to a 2015 Obama-era law, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12). (And the list thus has nothing to do with any of Trump’s business interests. He did not create it, nor is he the first American president to omit Saudi Arabia from post-9/11 scrutiny.) That list, part of the Orwellian-named Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, disallows use of America's visa-free travel program to persons who even once visited the targeted nations. So, for example, British citizens otherwise eligible to enter the United States without a visa must instead appear for questioning and be individually approved for an actual printed visa in their passport at an American embassy or consulate abroad. The rule applies even if their travel was as a journalist or member of a volunteer health team.
Commentary: Trump's visa ban isn't as new as you think | Reuters
Commentary: Trump's visa ban isn't as new as you think
For those who say "This is not who we are," look again. Sadly, it’s who we’ve always been.
President Donald Trump's executive order banning travelers and refugees from seven predominantly Muslim countries is only the latest twist of dark threads that have long been present in America. The executive order is not unprecedented. It is evolutionary.
The countries affected by Trump's executive order – Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen – have been singled out under American immigration law since the days following 9/11.
But let’s be more specific. Trump’s executive order only lists Syria by name. It refers to the other countries in reference to a 2015 Obama-era law, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12). (And the list thus has nothing to do with any of Trump’s business interests. He did not create it, nor is he the first American president to omit Saudi Arabia from post-9/11 scrutiny.) That list, part of the Orwellian-named Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, disallows use of America's visa-free travel program to persons who even once visited the targeted nations. So, for example, British citizens otherwise eligible to enter the United States without a visa must instead appear for questioning and be individually approved for an actual printed visa in their passport at an American embassy or consulate abroad. The rule applies even if their travel was as a journalist or member of a volunteer health team.
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Favourite headline of the day as I scroll through all the bad news.
"OBAMA IS VACATIONING WITH HIS HAT ON BACKWARDS"
The former President and First Lady have been vacationing in the British Virgin Islands at Richard Branson's private resort, and all evidence suggests the couple is really enjoying its much-deserved break. Photos of both Barack and Michelle traipsing along the picturesque Caribbean beaches (while good-naturedly waving to onlookers) and even hanging out with billionaire Branson himself have surfaced online, providing a tiny glimpse into how life post-presidency is going for them. The verdict: They're relaxed. So relaxed, in fact, that Barack has traded in his presidential suits for an ultra-chill backwards baseball cap and flip-flops.
His easygoing vibes are making the fact that his term is over all too real for many social media users, leading some to speculate that Barack's cool-guy transformation is a sure sign that he's mentally checked out from politics and all the drama that comes with them. Of course, the internet has taken to Twitter to declare how much they miss the former First Family and congratulate them on their well-earned time off.
Favourite headline of the day as I scroll through all the bad news.
"OBAMA IS VACATIONING WITH HIS HAT ON BACKWARDS"
The former President and First Lady have been vacationing in the British Virgin Islands at Richard Branson's private resort, and all evidence suggests the couple is really enjoying its much-deserved break. Photos of both Barack and Michelle traipsing along the picturesque Caribbean beaches (while good-naturedly waving to onlookers) and even hanging out with billionaire Branson himself have surfaced online, providing a tiny glimpse into how life post-presidency is going for them. The verdict: They're relaxed. So relaxed, in fact, that Barack has traded in his presidential suits for an ultra-chill backwards baseball cap and flip-flops.
His easygoing vibes are making the fact that his term is over all too real for many social media users, leading some to speculate that Barack's cool-guy transformation is a sure sign that he's mentally checked out from politics and all the drama that comes with them. Of course, the internet has taken to Twitter to declare how much they miss the former First Family and congratulate them on their well-earned time off.
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Some difference of opinion here btw Trump and Turnbull according to the Washington Post :
"No ‘G’day, mate’: On call with Australian prime minister, Trump badgers and brags
It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.
Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refu*gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a-815pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.680077c4e62d
At one point Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi*mir Putin — and that “This was the worst call by far.”
One report has Trump telling Turnbull that Our PM was trying to send the next Boston Bombers to the US.
Some difference of opinion here btw Trump and Turnbull according to the Washington Post :
"No ‘G’day, mate’: On call with Australian prime minister, Trump badgers and brags
It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.
Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refu*gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a-815pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.680077c4e62d
At one point Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi*mir Putin — and that “This was the worst call by far.”
One report has Trump telling Turnbull that Our PM was trying to send the next Boston Bombers to the US.
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Like it or not, at least (and it seems to be the least) the US has a President who sticks up for his own country (rational or not), unlike the current wimp we seem to have. Just remind Trump to look up what Pine Gap means to them.
Like it or not, at least (and it seems to be the least) the US has a President who sticks up for his own country (rational or not), unlike the current wimp we seem to have. Just remind Trump to look up what Pine Gap means to them.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
Well little Donnie slammed our PM in their last phone call.
'The worst call by far': Donald Trump badgers, brags in Malcolm Turnbull call
Well little Donnie slammed our PM in their last phone call.
'The worst call by far': Donald Trump badgers, brags in Malcolm Turnbull call
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
Today's Bill Leak cartoon in the "Australian".
Edit: Trump's Tweet added
Today's Bill Leak cartoon in the "Australian".
Edit: Trump's Tweet added
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
Behind Trump.
Behind Trump.
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Well if the reports are true, our closet leftie PM thoroughly deserved it. From the USA's perspective, what could be dumber than taking another country's illegals when they have more than enough of their own already. Even Obama deported about 2 million (IIRC) illegal immigrants (a fact many conveniently forget)
Well if the reports are true, our closet leftie PM thoroughly deserved it. From the USA's perspective, what could be dumber than taking another country's illegals when they have more than enough of their own already. Even Obama deported about 2 million (IIRC) illegal immigrants (a fact many conveniently forget)
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
I wonder if anyone actually believed that our off shore detention people would actually be going to the US under the circumstances of the US election.
I wonder if anyone actually believed that our off shore detention people would actually be going to the US under the circumstances of the US election.
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What is confusing to me is zero mention of the tit for tat exchange. I thought I heard (although could be wrong) at the time deal with Obama/US was announced was that Australia would take a "bundle" of refugees from Central America that were a problem for the US, in turn for the "bundle" of refugees at Nauru/Manus that US would take. It's wasn't just a one way flow from AU to US.
No mention of that anywhere. I guess it's irrelevant to current discussion because essentially central american refugees are less likely to be infiltrated by those who want to bring about the downfall of the west than the assortment of refugees in Nauru/Manus.
What is confusing to me is zero mention of the tit for tat exchange. I thought I heard (although could be wrong) at the time deal with Obama/US was announced was that Australia would take a "bundle" of refugees from Central America that were a problem for the US, in turn for the "bundle" of refugees at Nauru/Manus that US would take. It's wasn't just a one way flow from AU to US.
No mention of that anywhere. I guess it's irrelevant to current discussion because essentially central american refugees are less likely to be infiltrated by those who want to bring about the downfall of the west than the assortment of refugees in Nauru/Manus.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election
This might help explain the central american refugee problem-
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-central-american-refugee-crisis
This might help explain the central american refugee problem-
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-central-american-refugee-crisis
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Yes, so what I gather is the Obama/Turnbull refugee exchange was all about deterrence - you might end up somewhere you didn't want to go. US is probably not a bad coughy prize for those wanting to come to Australia, so hardly a deterrent. For those coming from Central America I guess Australia is not as appealing as the US due to geography and lack of hispanic community, so could be a deterrent ... hence US interest in the exchange. But none of this mentioned recently.
Perhaps we all just need more "beautiful walls".
Yes, so what I gather is the Obama/Turnbull refugee exchange was all about deterrence - you might end up somewhere you didn't want to go. US is probably not a bad coughy prize for those wanting to come to Australia, so hardly a deterrent. For those coming from Central America I guess Australia is not as appealing as the US due to geography and lack of hispanic community, so could be a deterrent ... hence US interest in the exchange. But none of this mentioned recently.
Perhaps we all just need more "beautiful walls".
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Is it coincidental that all the photos of Turnbull talking to Trump, show Turnbull standing up?
Yes, so what I gather is the Obama/Turnbull refugee exchange was all about deterrence - you might end up somewhere you didn't want to go. US is probably not a bad coughy prize for those wanting to come to Australia, so hardly a deterrent. For those coming from Central America I guess Australia is not as appealing as the US due to geography and lack of hispanic community, so could be a deterrent ... hence US interest in the exchange. But none of this mentioned recently.
Perhaps we all just need more "beautiful walls".
Is it coincidental that all the photos of Turnbull talking to Trump, show Turnbull standing up?
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