2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

[cove]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Let us coin a new simple saying....The Donald factor......
He will probably get impeached.....but it will take quite a while I believe.

 

[Denali]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Let us coin a new simple saying....The Donald factor......
He will probably get impeached.....but it will take quite a while I believe.

I always thought that the Republican party will get rid of him on their timeline, question is when and how long.

 

[CaptJCool]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Let us coin a new simple saying....The Donald factor......
He will probably get impeached.....but it will take quite a while I believe.

The D & C factor

the donald & conquer factor

while you got smart people running around cleaning up the mess and dealing with the new forest fire, you reign on supremely without opposition.

 

[CaptJCool]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

I always thought that the Republican party will get rid of him on their timeline, question is when and how long.

the GOP?
Pffft

Gutless Old Pr--ks

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Let us coin a new simple saying....The Donald factor......
He will probably get impeached.....but it will take quite a while I believe.

I always thought that the Republican party will get rid of him on their timeline, question is when and how long.

You will need a few Republicans to cross the floor for an impeachment to become a reality. If the Republicans do poorly in the mid terms, the Democrats might begin impeachment in 2 years.

Interesting the countries he has banned. Interesting to note none of the seven nations banned have killed a US citizen on USA soil between 1975-2015.

Not a single American was killed on U.S. soil by citizens from any of those countries between 1975 and 2015, according to statistics tallied by the conservative-leaning Cato Institute.

Trump's Muslim ban excludes countries linked to his businesses - NY Daily News

The 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon, Egypt and other countries with a high terror risk like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey have been left off the list.

Most interesting is Trump has plenty of business interests in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Turkey. Potential Impeachment trigger?

Breaking Federal judge ruling.

A federal judge has blocked part of President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration, ruling that travellers who have already landed in the US with valid visas should not be sent back to their home countries.

US judge blocks Trump's order to ban Muslim travellers | USA News | Al Jazeera

 

[NinnyPoo]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Note the current ESTA, now asks you to supply a US contact person and also asks some seriously naive questions such as the below.. Only the world's stupidest terrorist/espionage agent/sobotagist or genocidist would answer YES.

"DO YOU SEEK TO ENGAGE IN OR HAVE YOU EVER ENGAGED IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, ESPIONAGE, SABOTAGE, OR GENOCIDE"

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Note the current ESTA, now asks you to supply a US contact person and also asks some seriously naive questions such as the below.. Only the world's stupidest terrorist/espionage agent/sobotagist or genocidist would answer YES.

"DO YOU SEEK TO ENGAGE IN OR HAVE YOU EVER ENGAGED IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, ESPIONAGE, SABOTAGE, OR GENOCIDE"

A bit like the "Are you carrying drugs" question on the immigration forms.

I always thought that the Republican party will get rid of him on their timeline, question is when and how long.

I would have thought that once he has been elected President he is there for the full term. Impeachment notwithstanding.

For an impeachment to be successful does it require both evidence of wrongdoing and a majority vote?

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

A bit like the "Are you carrying drugs" question on the immigration forms.


I would have thought that once he has been elected President he is there for the full term. Impeachment notwithstanding.

For an impeachment to be successful does it require both evidence of wrongdoing and a majority vote?

Yes both houses and wrongdoing.

 

[Cossie]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Note the current ESTA, now asks you to supply a US contact person and also asks some seriously naive questions such as the below.. Only the world's stupidest terrorist/espionage agent/sobotagist or genocidist would answer YES.

"DO YOU SEEK TO ENGAGE IN OR HAVE YOU EVER ENGAGED IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, ESPIONAGE, SABOTAGE, OR GENOCIDE"

They used to ask if you were, or had ever been a member of the Communist Party. Maybe they still do, it's been a while since I've had any desire to visit the anything south of the Canadian border.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

A president can also be removed with the 25th amendment.

A vice president, working with a “majority of either the principle officers of the executive departments, or of such body as Congress may by law provide,” can remove the president for being “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

Polman: Time to consider 25th Amendment for Trump | Online Athens

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

A president can also be removed with the 25th amendment.



Polman: Time to consider 25th Amendment for Trump | Online Athens

Looks serious. Has it ever been used?

 

[penegal]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

There is a difference between being "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office", and not liking what the person in office is doing.

Remember he was elected promising to do broadly what he seems to be doing. Sure he is racist and sexist, but he was elected and that was abundantly clear through the campaign... Just because some/a lot of people don't like his policies, doesn't mean it's a trigger to unseat him.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Looks serious. Has it ever been used?

Not yet as the amendment was only passed in 1967. It was contemplated for Ronald Regan.

Physical ailment like stroke is clear cut while a mental illness is not as clear cut to remove a President.

 

[drron]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

My goodness what a load of rubbish and bias coming out.
It is not a muslim ban-Saudi Arabia,Turkey,Egypt etc are not part of the ban.which is temporary anyway.
The reason for the countries that are part of the ban have been picked because they are basically a shambles as to be able to conduct security checks.
But remember this State of the Union address-

[video=youtube_share;cJFVlnhxQng]https://youtu.be/cJFVlnhxQng[/video]

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Geez drron, you really have an obsession with Bill Clinton.

Just remember George W Bush dropped the ball on his security briefings when he glanced over Al Qaeda preparing an attack whilst on holidays (one of many) which led to 9/11.

 

[Happy Trails]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Looks serious. Has it ever been used?

A few times on 24.

25th Amendment | Wiki 24 | Fandom powered by Wikia.

 

[drron]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Geez drron, you really have an obsession with Bill Clinton.

Just remember George W Bush dropped the ball on his security briefings when he glanced over Al Qaeda preparing an attack whilst on holidays (one of many) which led to 9/11.

Well you were talking about Immigration and Bill's speech was relevant.introducing George W is irrelevant.And to blame him for the events of 9/11 by not noticing a briefing is farcical.He had been in office less than 8 months and the planning of 9/11 had begun years before.
The major problem was the CIA and FBI not sharing information.Read the 9/11 Commission report.
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Some of the faults-

Nonetheless, there were specific points of vulnerability in the plot and opportunities to disrupt it. Operational failures-opportunities that were not or could not be exploited by the organizations and systems of that time-included

• not watchlisting future hijackers Hazmi and Mihdhar, not trailing them after they traveled to Bangkok, and not informing the FBI about one future hijacker's U.S. visa or his companion's travel to the United States;
• not sharing information linking individuals in the Cole attack to Mihdhar;
• not taking adequate steps in time to find Mihdhar or Hazmi in the United States;
• not linking the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, described as interested in flight training for the purpose of using an airplane in a terrorist act, to the heightened indications of attack;
• not discovering false statements on visa applications;
• not recognizing passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner;
• not expanding no-fly lists to include names from terrorist watchlists;
• not searching airline passengers identified by the computer-based CAPPS screening system; and
• not hardening aircraft coughpit doors or taking other measures to prepare for the possibility of suicide hijackings.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

George W was a disaster, even without the NeoCon inpired invasions. I thought the problem was allowing Saudi nationals to enroll in flying academy and only learnt to take off, not land. And are they (Saudis) on the DNF list? No. The Donald has just opened several new hotels there.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Well you were talking about Immigration and Bill's speech was relevant.introducing George W is irrelevant.And to blame him for the events of 9/11 by not noticing a briefing is farcical.He had been in office less than 8 months and the planning of 9/11 had begun years before.
The major problem was the CIA and FBI not sharing information.Read the 9/11 Commission report.
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Some of the faults-

At the end of the day an incompetent president like George W Bush is the reason why we are here today. Trump doesn't like reading anything. This presidency could be really disastrous.

 

[drron]

Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Of course you really don't know George W do you.And you get your info from the MSM who hated G.W. and hate Trump.
On this issue of the visa bans the media have really dropped the ball,have done no research and allowed their hate to give them the headlines.

So for your info here is the directive signed by trump courtesy of CNN-
Full text of Trump's executive order on 7-nation ban, refugee suspension - CNNPolitics.com

You might notice there is no list of countries.But there is this-

Sec. 3. Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.

So the Department of Homeland security has a list of countries of particular concerned.And guess what-this list was drawn up under Pres.Obama-
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

Pursuant to the Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security had sixty days to determine whether additional countries or areas of concern should be subject to the travel or dual nationality restrictions under the Act. After careful consideration, and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined that Libya, Somalia, and Yemen be included as countries of concern, specifically for individuals who have traveled to these countries since March 1, 2011. At this time, the restriction on Visa Waiver Program travel will not apply to dual nationals of these three countries. DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to develop further criteria to determine whether other countries would be added to this list.
Last month, the United States began implementing changes under the Act. The three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals. Under the new law, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive these restrictions if he determines that such a waiver is in the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States. Such waivers will be granted only on a case-by-case basis. As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a waiver include individuals who traveled to these countries on behalf of international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national governments on official duty; on behalf of a humanitarian NGO on official duty; or as a journalist for reporting purposes.

So the notion the countries exempted from the list was because of Trump's investments is just BS.Of course this means your dream of him being impeached for this "crime" is just that-a dream.

Obama also stopped the processing of Iraqi refugees-including those that had worked for the US-for 6 months in 2011-
Al Qaeda in Kentucky: US May Have Let 'Dozens' of Terrorists Into Country as Refugees - ABC News

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said. In 2011, fewer than 10,000 Iraqis were resettled as refugees in the U.S., half the number from the year before, State Department statistics show

And people lost their lives because of that delay-where were the protests then?