2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

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drron said:
Well it looks like they finally have proof of a political operative with financial ties to Russia.Unfortunately it is Mr. Podesta.But it had been revealed in the Panama papers.What a goose.
EXCLUSIVE: Dem Super-Lobbyist Podesta Got $170K To End US Sanctions On Russian Bank |

Panama Papers Reveal Clinton’s Kremlin Connection | Observer
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Yeah - the whole lobbyist industry is a blight on what the 'Mericans laughingly call democracy. But a Russian bank trying to grease the wheels of USA's corrupt capitalism, is very different to state-run Russian hackers making sure that Putin installed his candidate of choice into the White House. Isn't it Comrade Ron?
 
Moody said:
Yeah - the whole lobbyist industry is a blight on what the 'Mericans laughingly call democracy. But a Russian bank trying to grease the wheels of USA's corrupt capitalism, is very different to state-run Russian hackers making sure that Putin installed his candidate of choice into the White House. Isn't it Comrade Ron?
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It's quite telling that the feral left have been promoting the "Russia hacked the election" narrative for 6 months yet they can't find any evidence of Russia corrupting votes.

The simple fact is Trump won more states and the feral left are throwing a prolonged temper tantrum because they can't handle losing.

Thankfully Trump is getting on with the job of abolishing the ObamaCare monstrosity, enforcing immigration law, and economic confidence is soaring to record highs.

The feral left's psychotic delusions of omnipotent Russian control over US elections is a mass hysteria which threatens American democracy.
 
Isochronous said:
It's quite telling that the feral left have been promoting the "Russia hacked the election" narrative for 6 months yet they can't find any evidence of Russia corrupting votes.

The simple fact is Trump won more states and the feral left are throwing a prolonged temper tantrum because they can't handle losing.

Thankfully Trump is getting on with the job of abolishing the ObamaCare monstrosity, enforcing immigration law, and economic confidence is soaring to record highs.

The feral left's psychotic delusions of omnipotent Russian control over US elections is a mass hysteria which threatens American democracy.
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Hillary easily won the popular vote by like 3 million.

Trump only won because of like 70k votes across 3 states.

Just because the Dow goes up does not equate to Economic confidence. All it indicates is that people without ethics or morals are making money because of a narcissist.

Even Republican voters are protesting against the repel of the Affordable Care Act.

[video=youtube;xeafI0fMVLI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeafI0fMVLI[/video]
 
I am wondering if Mrscove will be sent off to the interview room again when we arrive at LAX. She seems to get an X on her auto processing so it can be a bit of a wait for me. It was her new passport in December.
 
So Trump won the Electoral College by 3 states.
Hiliary won the popular vote by just 1 state-California.

As to Putin putting in his candidate of choice-Even if he was responsible for the release of info from the DNC all that did was release what Hiliary and the DNC really thought about the American people.They haven't denied the veracity of the emails.So are people really saying the people anywhere have no right to know if their politicians are lying?
 
cove said:
I am wondering if Mrscove will be sent off to the interview room again when we arrive at LAX. She seems to get an X on her auto processing so it can be a bit of a wait for me. It was her new passport in December.
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Depends if the CIA hack and read AFF forums! That is the question! :) :)
 
drron said:
As to Putin putting in his candidate of choice-Even if he was responsible for the release of info from the DNC all that did was release what Hiliary and the DNC really thought about the American people.They haven't denied the veracity of the emails.So are people really saying the people anywhere have no right to know if their politicians are lying?
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I think any election has to be fair for both candidates. If they slip up on their own, so be it, but when a third party is attacking just one side and showing the flaws, it's not fair anymore, it's even a little biased.

I think all voters should know what the politicians they are voting for really think... but they didn't, they only knew what the democrats thought, not what the Republicans thought. Yes, you can claim Trump never shied away from saying what was on his mind... but was that really what he or his party actually thought? Would have been nice to see those emails as well, then it would be fair.

That said, I'm not American, I don't care, I'm just pointing out the flaw in what you said. People have the right to see the truth from both sides... because of a third-party it was only seen from one side and may have influenced the outcome. Meh.

If governments really thought it was a problem then actions like that would be written into the rules of elections to automatically halt proceedings until a desired outcome came about. Still democracy, just a longer form of it.
 
samh004 said:
If governments really thought it was a problem then actions like that would be written into the rules of elections to automatically halt proceedings until a desired outcome came about. Still democracy, just a longer form of it.
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That word democracy gets thrown around without any T&Cs. In Australia we generally take it to mean 1 vote, 1 value in theory, but then the Constitution comes in to play, just like in US. In Australia, we have the senate where 1 vote in Tas is worth many times that in NSW or Vic, because of the guaranteed number of seats regardless of population. Similarly in the US, the Presidential election is based on an electoral college system where one vote in California is worth a lot less than 1 vote in Ohio. And yet in both countries we talk about being liberal democracies. The rules of elections are set by constitutions, and changing them has never been easy. And as for democracy, well it is generally the most difficult concept to pin down in any form, long or short.
 
OATEK said:
That word democracy gets thrown around without any T&Cs. In Australia we generally take it to mean 1 vote, 1 value in theory, but then the Constitution comes in to play, just like in US. In Australia, we have the senate where 1 vote in Tas is worth many times that in NSW or Vic, because of the guaranteed number of seats regardless of population. Similarly in the US, the Presidential election is based on an electoral college system where one vote in California is worth a lot less than 1 vote in Ohio. And yet in both countries we talk about being liberal democracies. The rules of elections are set by constitutions, and changing them has never been easy. And as for democracy, well it is generally the most difficult concept to pin down in any form, long or short.
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Don't forget the gerrymandering by Republicans to influence the lower house.

Meanwhile the possible repeal of obamacare (Affordable Care Act) will lead to a tax cut for the 1%.

Overall, dumping all the ACA taxes would cut taxes by an average of $180 per household in 2017—a 0.3 increase in after-tax incomes. Of course, taxes are not the only measure of people’s well-being. A new analysis by the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center estimates that eliminating the law without adopting a replacement could increase the number of people without insurance by more than 29 million, putting them at risk for out-of-pocket medical costs that would far exceed any tax savings.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltwa...-would-mean-for-household-taxes/#6b3a329b189b
 
The first amendment means that publishing material is not illegal. Given that it's only 2 pages of a 500 page tax return, it's possible that it's an intentional bone thrown to the media dogs. The Rachel Maddow Show raised a lot of questions about dubious deals by the Trump organization, links to Azerbaijan corrupt politicians and other Russian entities.
 
drron said:
So laws are made to be broken?
In the US as in Australia it is illegal to make public an Individual's tax return.Naturally the ALP here have been implicated in this here as well.
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According to the new ACTU thingy... the poor thing got sucker punch by Leigh Sales - amateur!
 
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whatmeworry said:
Hillary easily won the popular vote by like 3 million.

Trump only won because of like 70k votes across 3 states.
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One more time
Trump won more votes in more states and counties than Hilary. That's the electoral system
Hilary can be the president of California

ThatA the beauty of the system there
plurality of votes in a plurality of states

BTW even the rabid left have moved on to Russiagate which is a mass geeup
 
Is the the Deplorables defending the indefensible with Vacuous Arguments thread??? Good, because I'd like to join in but feel very inexperienced in that realm. Let me try though.

Hey leftie tree-hugger scum - why should you need to know the dubious financial history of your democratically elected supreme leader? No one else has done it so why should he?(*)

(* May contain alternative facts).

Is good?
 
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