2024 F1 Thread

[serfty]

Why Russell was disqualified and stripped of his win in Spa

George Russell looked to have pulled off the most sensational of victories with a drive so good, his boss Toto Wolff called him the “Tyre Whisperer”. However, the stewards stripped him of the win after the race. Why did they do that? What rule was broken? And what was the reaction?

www.formula1.com

 

[luckypierre]

Reports this morning have stated that Perez to remain at RBR and RIC to stay at VRB for the rest of 2024. RIC will be searching for a seat in 2025.

 

[MJ_/\_]

Also, Sainz has signed a 2y deal with Williams

 

[cjd600]

Wonder if Alpine will now pull the trigger on their second seat, with Carlos confirming to Williams.
Hoping for Doohan....

 

[eastwest101]

Why Russell was disqualified and stripped of his win in Spa

George Russell looked to have pulled off the most sensational of victories with a drive so good, his boss Toto Wolff called him the “Tyre Whisperer”. However, the stewards stripped him of the win after the race. Why did they do that? What rule was broken? And what was the reaction?

www.formula1.com

That article pretty much points out all the details with the extenuating circumstances that this is Spa, resurfaced, and there is no warm-down lap to pick up debris, and the race was clean with no VSC or real safety car so higher fuel consumption so everyone who was short fueled (which is pretty much all the cars) had fuel preservation issues, so I expect that if all of the cars had been weighed there would have been a lot of underweight cars and anyone else who did a 1-stop also would have been underweight.

The rules do seem a bit silly, and I can see why they were implemented (to stop teams putting blocks of ice in cars and having the ice melt) but in this case the rules have created a perverse outcome where the driver and team that took the risk of going 1 stop were penalized for their strategic success. It could have easily been the case that Russell's old hard tyres "fell off a cliff" performance-wise or even failed with 5 laps to go, and that is the risk side of the risk/reward choice for the 1 stop strategy, competitors would not have complained about that outcome, that's the risk that Russel and Mercedes took.

Pirelli would have been instructed to bring a hard tyre that was "hard enough" to make a 1-stop a possible strategic choice, whats the point of telling Pirelli that when 1-stoppers at Spa were going to be punished for using all the rubber on their set of tyres? May as well have mandated that everyone do a 2-stop race! And no one would support that argument.

The resurfacing of Spa and the unknown tyre wear because of the changeable weather from Quali to the race undoubtedly affected all drivers and teams, and its interesting that during the race Piastri diagnosed the secret of winning that Spa race as being in "clean air" or perhaps more accurately - being in clear air on the right tyres at the right time and his realization in the cool-down room that an even faster way around Spa that day was doing a 1 stop as Russell did, because the track rubbered in and developed over the race. Hamilton also made the point that everyone who was pitting during the race was often leaving a lot of rubber and tyre life behind In the pit stop garage.

Unlike other technical breaches, its interesting that other teams are pretty quiet about this and I think that's an admission that they recognize that Russsel maximized his tyre life and his strategy guys rolled the dice and they deserved the win. I think this whole fetish about car weights is a technological and competitive dead end brought about by not having refueling during the race and the reintroduction of refuelling would be worth a look as it would produce more variables in strategy and racing that would lead to more interesting races.

The crowds want to see motor car racing, not tyre preservation parades, and not weight management and fuel economy Sunday poker runs. They want to see teams maximize their performance and drivers use skill and judgment to maximize tyre life, track position and adjust to changing track conditions to be at the front when the chequered flag falls.

/end rant (And I'm not even a Mercedes or Russell fan)

 

[serfty]

/end rant (And I'm not even a Mercedes or Russel fan)

The thing is, a line is drawn with the rules - teams are aware of these rules and I'm sure will take them to the limit.

Once of the earlier para's of that article is interesting:

“The car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."

Does this mean the team deliberately did not drain the tanks as much as they should have? That sentence suggests they are supposed to but didn't.

 

[moa999]

and there is no warm-down lap to pick up debris

But that's standard procedure for Spa so the teams should be adjusting for it.

Per ESPN "A set of F1 tyres (minus rims) weigh 42kg when new, but can lose as much as 3kg in wear during a long stint"

So think you'd struggle to get 1.5kg difference between a normal and long stint.

 

[SeatBackForward]

But that's standard procedure for Spa so the teams should be adjusting for it.

Per ESPN "A set of F1 tyres (minus rims) weigh 42kg when new, but can lose as much as 3kg in wear during a long stint"

So think you'd struggle to get 1.5kg difference between a normal and long stint.

And picking up Debris - since when is that part of motor racing? But that's something that F1 drivers have been doing for decades as part of the "Technical Compliance"..The teams can't have it both ways, to claim they know tactics to comply with *some* technical requirements but not others.

 

[jastel]

Haha.

 

[Flashback]

Oscar has been keeping himself busy.

 

[MARTINE]

So….
Anyone on here got tickets to a Melbourne Grand Prix (granstand/hospo) after signing yp to Melbourne Grand Prix website to be alerted when tickets go on sale. (Not talking about F1 experiences website).
If so
Q- When do they go on sale roughly (hear its August sometime ie this month )
Q- if so, any luck or hens teeth probability
Q-do the ticketing agencies (think its Ticketmaster) also have sign up for presales?
Q- any other ideas (want reasonable comfort / seating/ views pref on start grid). As we have a place in Melbourne not far from the track no other expenses.

Thanks AF1F1ers

 

[Flashback]

 

[kelvedon]

Ted Kravitz saying on Sky Sport F1 just now that Jack Doohan is a shoe in for Alpine next year. That’ll make 3 Aussies in F1 …..if RIC survives.

 

[JessicaTam]

Hopefully PIA gets over his fractured ribs.

'Rib's enjoying the break': Image appears to show Piastri won maiden grand prix with fractured rib

Oscar Piastri's maiden Formula 1 grand prix victory appears to have been accomplished with the Australian racer nursing a fractured rib.

www.abc.net.au

 

[cjd600]

Wonder if Alpine will now pull the trigger on their second seat, with Carlos confirming to Williams.
Hoping for Doohan....

Doohan confirmed for Alpine 2025

 

[DejaBrew]

Doohan confirmed for Alpine 2025

Yep, great news! Now just need Danny Ric to be promoted to RBR in place of Checo, and Lawson to be put into Danny's vacated VCARB seat and we'll have near on a quarter of the grid represented by the Antipodes.

 

[JessicaTam]

Just watching P1. A commentator has just said that Marco has confirmed that Liam Lawson will be in a RedBull next year. So RIC or PER in firing line.

 

[DejaBrew]

Just watching P1. A commentator has just said that Marco has confirmed that Liam Lawson will be in a RedBull next year. So RIC or PER in firing line.

If RIC continues his current upswing in form, you'd have to imagine it's PER who's more at risk. There are (reportedly) already more than enough grounds for contract termination based on performance clauses re: PER.

 

[TheRealTMA]

If RIC continues his current upswing in form, you'd have to imagine it's PER who's more at risk. There are (reportedly) already more than enough grounds for contract termination based on performance clauses re: PER.

IMHO. Had his chances. Time RIC gave moved on and gave way to other drivers. PER comes with a bucket of money I believe unlike others.

 

[cjd600]

Yep, great news! Now just need Danny Ric to be promoted to RBR in place of Checo, and Lawson to be put into Danny's vacated VCARB seat and we'll have near on a quarter of the grid represented by the Antipodes.

How good would that be
Shame they didn’t do it in the break