27th February Big Qantas announcement

[drewbles]

Virgin owns Tiger. Tiger to Virgin is Jetstar to Qantas.

Nowhere near really. Jetstar Australia is a wholly owned subsidiary and share a lot of back-of-house systems and processes.

VA is just the majority shareholder of TT.

 

[drewbles]

Qantas owns the aircraft. They will paint in JQ colours. This topic has been explained many times. The banner is for the aircraft owner - so the leasing companys who own them have thier logos but the operating carrier will be different.

Actually, it's not QF or JQ. VH-VKA is showing up as being owned by SL Jura Co Ltd, Tokyo Japan.
CASA Search -- CASA Aircraft Register

 

[Programme]

I just went to the Earning Points Calculator to check PER-SIN. This is what I got. I hope this is a mistake because that will be the end of Qantas International metal from PER.

That's a bit weird. Using the same tool for a Jetstar international only route like MEL-BKK, you get told that there are no direct flights, despite the QF265 code on JQ29, which does earn points. On a Jetstar domestic only route like MEL-OOL, the same message is shown as for PER-SIN. Whatever programming behind this tool isn't consistent and may be in error.

Hopefully it is just IT ineptitude :shock:

Qantas owns the aircraft. They will paint in JQ colours. This topic has been explained many times. The banner is for the aircraft owner - so the leasing companys who own them have thier logos but the operating carrier will be different.

I'm fully aware that the plane is going to Jetstar and has always been planned that way. Tongue is planted firmly in cheek!

Actually, it's not QF or JQ. VH-VKA is showing up as being owned by SL Jura Co Ltd, Tokyo Japan.
CASA Search -- CASA Aircraft Register

VH-VKB is registered as being owned by TLC Lotus Ltd, also of Tokyo, Japan but at a different address.

VH-VKD is registered as owned by Qantas Airways of Mascot.

I wonder who these Japanese companies are.

EDIT: A few minutes of Googling gives the answer.

VH-VKA (the first JQ 787-8) is owned by a company addressed at the offices of Showa Leasing Ltd, part of Shinsei Bank (Japan).
VH-VKB (the second JQ 787-8) is owned by a company addressed at the Tokyo offices of Century Tokyo China Leasing Corporation (headquartered in Shanghai, China)

 

[Happy Trails]

I just went to the Earning Points Calculator to check PER-SIN. This is what I got. I hope this is a mistake because that will be the end of Qantas International metal from PER.
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FYI, it's 4858 points (including platinum bonus) and 25SCs

 

[hutch]

When I fly 3K, even though QF only owns 49%, I know I am flying Jetstar and I know its QF group business.

Tiger Australia is now Virgin controlled. JB is the chairman. The only reason it may not share as many back of house systems as JQ&QF do, is that Tiger started as a separate business. But I'm pretty sure it will head that way at some point.

 

[maninblack]

Qantas has never included its OW partners on the earning points calculator whereas BA and CX do show that option. For example put LAX-HNL into the QF search and it says there are no flights between those cities. There are flights carrying QF flight numbers on this route (on AA metal). It's a very poor search tool unfortunately.

 

[basso]

I just went to the Earning Points Calculator to check PER-SIN. This is what I got. I hope this is a mistake because that will be the end of Qantas International metal from PER.

I wouldn't read to much into it. Refer to this post from 2011. http://www.australianfrequentflyer....m/qf-please-fix-up-your-28558.html#post411114

 

[Mattg]

These two red-tailed A380s looked great parked at LHR the other day - would hate to see them go!

 

[woodborer]

Jetstar Tiger price beat PAX will have to pay for check-in...LOL

 

[jetlagger]

Jetstar Tiger price beat PAX will have to pay for check-in...LOL

& a seatbelt option

 

[cove]

The Qantas announcement should cover most of the operational results for the group. They have already disclosed that there is a first half loss coming and it will be interesting to see which way they want to cover that loss now that their loans are rated as junk. Clearly they could float a piece of Frequent Flyer or do a share issue but they will be needing to tell the market more about where the 2 billion dollars of cost savings will be coming from.
Virgin Australia has had to do 2 share issues just to stay in business and since their latest share issue the share price has tumbled. It is not an easy business and no one has been a winner over the last 3 or 4 years.

 

[woodborer]

The Qantas announcement should cover most of the operational results for the group. They have already disclosed that there is a first half loss coming and it will be interesting to see which way they want to cover that loss now that their loans are rated as junk. Clearly they could float a piece of Frequent Flyer or do a share issue but they will be needing to tell the market more about where the 2 billion dollars of cost savings will be coming from. Virgin Australia has had to do 2 share issues just to stay in business and since their latest share issue the share price has tumbled. It is not an easy business and no one has been a winner over the last 3 or 4 years.

Makes you wonder what Qantas were thinking, doing a share buyback last year. Sale and leaseback of terminals looks the go at the moment....

 

[Isochronous]

Maybe the 744s will be replaced by dirt cheap A340s.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Cabin crew will be offered voluntary redundancies - the short fall will be filled by FOs taking over the coffee runs just after take-off and before landing.

 

[jetlagger]

Cabin crew will be offered voluntary redundancies - the short fall will be filled by FOs taking over the coffee runs just after take-off and before landing.

Sounds appropriate for the ubiquitous Australian Companies extreme versions of multitasking.

 

[marki]

Maybe the 744s will be replaced by dirt cheap A340s.

You serious they are expensive to run

 

[Programme]

Maybe the 744s will be replaced by dirt cheap A340s.

You serious they are expensive to run

That depends how cheap used A340s are, and whether it is cheaper to run compared to an older 744 (possibly lightly loaded) on the routes that require four engined planes (SCL, JNB). It may make sense.

Apart from continuing to use the 744s on those routes, the only other modern planes that could fly those routes are the 748, 388 and the A340 family. The A340 would be by far the cheapest to acquire and may suit the loadings on those routes better than the huge double deckers. It wouldn't take much for QF to operate A340s as they are already extensive users of the A330 family.

 

[Awesom Andy]

From what I know of, the A346 is about a few % worse than the 77W in terms of real life operations, so I would presume it would still be much better than the 744 with oil prices at the current level.

 

[markis10]

From what I know of, the A346 is about a few % worse than the 77W in terms of real life operations, so I would presume it would still be much better than the 744 with oil prices at the current level.

This is the LH data on a passenger/km basis being litres per 100 PKM

A330-300 4.10
A340-300 4.02
A340-600 4.21
B747-400 4.27

 

[Awesom Andy]

this is the lh data on a passenger/km basis being litres per 100 pkm

a330-300 4.10
a340-300 4.02
a340-600 4.21
b747-400 4.27

a343 < a333?