90 Reasons NOT to Fly Qantas

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I still really like QF as an airline. I have flown other airlines including VA, VS, CX, BA and i still like QF better.
I agree there are draw backs and problems but thats life and business.

I agree with others. If you dont like them dont fly.
 
In general I agree. However this is a good forum to complain when errors are made or policies are "enhanced" in an unhelpful way. Company representatives take seriously (or should) the views and perceptions of customers who are usually loyal to the product but become unhappy, particularly a customer group like this who spend a lot of time and money flying and often have a fair degree of control of who they fly with. Buying decisions for most people are heavily influenced by perception and emotion. It's very legitimate to complain and I agree with the list so far. The only reason I don't add to it is inertia...... I will also say that IMHO the Qantas staff are their greatest strength.
 
For me, a couple of key things as an economy flyer internationally:

- 31 inch seat pitch on QF seems miserly versus 32 on SQ and CX and 33-34 on OZ. Those extra few centimeters make all the difference.
- the simpler and fairer lavatory enhancements on the A380
- codeshare partnering to Europe with an airline where I'm likely to end up on a 10-across 777.
 
This is the one I dislike most:

The little 'i" on your J or F award booking that tells you "your flight from Sydney to London will be in economy"

and having to click J & F on availability page why not simply show them all on one (page) in first place.

The removal of the status runs and the poor way it was done, lower point yield for many and then the 10 points per $ flight offer last Dec. when it took so long (months) for them to post after numerous attempts contacting Q and RR here, by so many. Now in Y we have food in a box (the food is Ok the box is not).

Qantas has made more changes in the past 18 months than any airline know of, its just constant change after change and not always to the benefit of passengers.

Finding J award seats is becoming near impossible.

Still use Q for Dom. flights.
 
QFi don't fly from PER. (or ADL) (or HBA) (or DRW)

I seem to recall discussions of telecommunications companies a number of years ago. The value of companies were dramatically increased when their capabilities were analyzed as a SYSTEM/NETWORK. If part of the network was missing or failed, the value to the consumers fell dramatically. And rural service did have extra costs.

I wonder how many years it will take for QF to realize and understand the un-intended consequences of dropping PER as an international station? Especially where the only option involves serious back-tracking to connect internationally. And to understand that Jetstar / Emirates is NOT Qantas.

Kudos to RedRoo for the response made to the original posts in this thread. I think a constructive response to this post might be a bit more difficult. Unless we see an A330 on PER-DXB and/or a B738 PER-SIN in the short/medium term.

Happy wandering

Fred
 
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I wonder if those saying 'don't like don't fly qantas' have read the title of the thread. Seems that is pretty much the point of 'reasons to not fly qantas'.
 
Exactly if you don't like the thread don't read it.

It was meant more as a way for people to vent in one place given the numerous response's I read in various threads of people, being dissatisfied with many things. Hence having this is a good opportunity to enable QF to read listen and perhaps make small changes to reduce the dissatisfaction that people have.

I have always been an advocate of recording and analysing customer complains. It is a powerful tool to help grow the business through increased customer satisfaction and engagement.

To those of you whose simple response is Don't like it Don't fly please explain how a number, of what is normally valued customers, walking away with out complaining is going to help QF?

This is not Qantas Bashing it is an opportunity for people to give feed back to Qantas in a bid to help ensure the future long term growth of Qantas.

As examples of the value of complaints how many pages have we seen on PB and Café style Breakfast threads?

Was there a positive outcome from those threads?
 
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i'm interested to see if 90 unique reasons (that are reasonable) can be listed - it's actually quite useful to QF to see what engaged customers care about rather than trying to spin or obfuscate a more challenging topic in the first place.
 
Reduced SC earn that effectively discourages/punishes QF Frequent Flyers for flying other OW partners such as CX AA BA JL etc .

This one really p*ssed me off. Other "enhancements" I can tolerate. Why isn't Oneworld doing something about it? Or they are powerless to? Genuine question...
 
Has Qantas ever made changes that directly reflect what was written in a thread on this web site? They may use customer opinions from surveys they email out to make considerations but what ratio of their paying customers are on this website? All AFF qantas members are probably a very small cog in the qantas mechanism. Writing a negative review is like moving in a rocking chair, it may be fun but it gets you no-where.
 
Qantas has made more changes in the past 18 months than any airline know of, its just constant change after change and not always to the benefit of passengers.

More like never for benefit to the passengers ?
Can you name one change in the past 18 months that was of benefit to pax ?

I can name several that were detrimental to pax;

*Cafe style breakfast
*Boxed meals
*Abolishment of JASA/FASA
*Reduced SC earn under the guise of "simpler and fairer" lol
 
More like never for benefit to the passengers ?
Can you name one change in the past 18 months that was of benefit to pax ?

I can name several that were detrimental to pax;

*Cafe style breakfast
*Boxed meals
*Abolishment of JASA/FASA
*Reduced SC earn under the guise of "simpler and fairer" lol

But hasn't the feedback from the boxed meals been positive?
 
Has Qantas ever made changes that directly reflect what was written in a thread on this web site?

Yes! We secured two changes directly on AFF.

1) compensation for withdrawal of car service to the USA. We put forward a 10,000 points compensation suggestion and this was picked up by QF.
2) reinstatement of expired points (points transfer into a dormant account). We put forward a convincing argument on AFF and QF accepted that.

As for reasons not to fly QF - we could add these to the list:

1) lack of confirmed international upgrades
2) reluctance to address issues with check-in agents not willing to through-check bags (for example - telling passengers they must collect bags in Sydney, and make their own way to international, when pax should be through-checked and take the transfer bus). This has been mentioned on several occasions but we've been given no feedback.
3) excessive time to reach QF call centres, both in Australia and abroad (if you are a bronze member)
4) inconsistent crew - more so than any other airline that I have experienced
5) secret downgrade and refund procedures
6) Qantas imposed charges on 'award' seats in some cases costing almost as much as buying a normal revenue ticket
7) a customer charter that won't cover basics if your bag is delayed by Qantas and you are away from home. The customer charter says you can only claim if the bag is delayed more than 24 hours, even if this is entirely within QF's control
8) reluctance to place passengers on other airlines even when a flight has been cancelled for purely commercial reasons. QF will have you wait until the next QF service, or route you via SYD, rather than place you on the next available service. This also applies for overbooking.
9) premium economy passengers on services which are cancelled for purely commercial reasons are downgraded to economy, rather than upgraded to business class.
10) slow meal services

adding:

11) droopy MKII skybeds.
12) little or no restriction for upper deck a380 passengers to use doenstairs F washrooms
 
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Would really love Qantas to change and again become a preferred airline of choice flying J+ regardless of distance.
My big issues stopping me have been:
1. Direct sweep CC's = arrogance+;
2. QFd - the dreaded Row 3 even after reaching PS. Have better things to do than making time to go back online and scrounge my way up to Row 2 when getting close to flying;
3. QFi - JASA+ availability requiring booking into the never never;
4. QFi - Asia return only available overnight and taking at least half the flight time to serve Y standard meals.
 
More like never for benefit to the passengers ?
Can you name one change in the past 18 months that was of benefit to pax ?

* introduction of new J suite on A330 aircraft
* replacement of cold Café Breakfast on short haul international J with hot meal
* introduction of Q streaming in flight
* addition of DXB as a port (and hub providing much improved access to Europe)
* addition of F class (A380) on flights to DFW
* revamp of SC earning (which has been better for me with more SCs for my flying pattern and fares; I know some people have ended up worse off)
* introduction of new, larger Y meals
* codeshares now available within Canada (Westjet)
* evening coughtails in domestic J lounges
* whining QF haters moving to VA
 
* introduction of new J suite on A330 aircraft
* replacement of cold Café Breakfast on short haul international J with hot meal
* introduction of Q streaming in flight
* addition of DXB as a port (and hub providing much improved access to Europe)
* addition of F class (A380) on flights to DFW
* revamp of SC earning (which has been better for me with more SCs for my flying pattern and fares; I know some people have ended up worse off)
* introduction of new, larger Y meals
* codeshares now available within Canada (Westjet)
* whining QF haters moving to VA

*When did cafe breakfast get replaced by a hot meal on short haul international J ? And what is short haul do you mean like SYD-SIN/MEL ? I was not aware of this. This is a genuine improvement. Bravo QF.
*Valid comment re Q streaming.
*Many people (on this forum) loathe DXB and much preferred SIN.
*You could conversely say that HKG lost F.
*Revamp of SC earning; could go either way on this one. Most people who I know (on this forum and personally) lost out.
*Did we need larger meals in Y ? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-29/australian-obesity-rates-climbing-fastest-in-the-world/5485724
Did anybody think QF meals were of an insufficient quantity ?
*Agree Westjet in Canada is a positive.
*Lol
 
Yes! We secured two changes directly on AFF.

1) compensation for withdrawal of car service to the USA. We put forward a 10,000 points compensation suggestion and this was picked up by QF.
2) reinstatement of expired points (points transfer into a dormant account). We put forward a convincing argument on AFF and QF accepted that.

Aside from those 2 individual cases, we can add premium boarding for domestic actually being implemented. Also arrivals access for platinum and +
 
This one really p*ssed me off. Other "enhancements" I can tolerate. Why isn't Oneworld doing something about it? Or they are powerless to? Genuine question...

Probably busy drafting similar changes to their own T&C....
 
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