90 Reasons NOT to Fly Qantas

[JohnK]

Yawn, yawn. Stuck record.....

Actually it's the other way around....

 

[Mr_Orange]

Actually it's the other way around....

Ermmm, how do you figure that? Please point out the last time that I said that MASAs should be brought back so I can gain status more easily. I don't bang on about bringing MASAs back in the same way you harp on about people gaining status more easily than you!

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[basso]

Removal of AnySeat awards at classic rates was a great thing.

Enough of gifting status.

Unless it is to me

 

[serfty]

Removal of AnySeat awards at classic rates was a great thing.

Enough of gifting status.

So, their removal is a reason for you not to fly Qantas?

Actually it is a good reason, indeed cause, not to fly QF - certainly it will reduce my travel on them - it was just about the last thing that made QFF points of any decent value.

With xASA's a million QFF points were arguably worth in the order of $50,000 in redemption value - now that one million is down to no less than $7800 in value.

I no longer value points upgrade raffles on Qantas - confirmed pointy end on long haul is where I am at. Velocity sits well for me there.

As far as domestic travel goes, VA for me is generally 10% - 15% cheaper on the same routes than as for QF.

Have a look at the current sale: MEL to ... VA/QF

SYD $ 79/$ 99
BNE $ 99/$119
PER $155/$189
ADL $ 59/$ 89
CNS $145/$189
OOL $ 85/$115

 

[Deleted member]

Counting the BKK incident as a successful landing then, I take it?

Any landing you walk away from is a good one

 

[basso]

So, their removal is a reason for you not to fly Qantas?

Actually it is a good reason, indeed cause, not to fly QF - certainly it will reduce my travel on them - it was just about the last thing that made QFF points of any decent value.

With xASA's a million QFF points were arguably worth in the order of $50,000 in redemption value - now that one million is down to no less than $7800 in value.

I no longer value points upgrade raffles on Qantas - confirmed pointy end on long haul is where I am at. Velocity sits well for me there.

As far as domestic travel goes, VA for me is generally 10% - 15% cheaper on the same routes than as for QF.

Have a look at the current sale: MEL to ... VA/QF

SYD $ 79/$ 99
BNE $ 99/$119
PER $155/$189
ADL $ 59/$ 89
CNS $145/$189
OOL $ 85/$115

Those meals in a cardboard box you get on Qantas are expensive!

 

[JohnK]

With xASA's a million QFF points were arguably worth in the order of $50,000 in redemption value - now that one million is down to no less than $7800 in value.

Why so low? Wouldn't that depend on the individual? What would 8 returns in business to BKK/HKG be worth even factoring into account the high fuel surcharges?

As far as domestic travel goes, VA for me is generally 10% - 15% cheaper on the same routes than as for QF.

I don't disagree with you.

I would jump at the chance with decent competition but unfortunately I have given Virgin more than enough chances and in my opinion they are not a serious airline.

But Qantas is doing a great job at shooting themselves in the foot I am left with no choice.

 

[greenfish]

So, their removal is a reason for you not to fly Qantas?

Actually it is a good reason, indeed cause, not to fly QF - certainly it will reduce my travel on them - it was just about the last thing that made QFF points of any decent value.

With xASA's a million QFF points were arguably worth in the order of $50,000 in redemption value - now that one million is down to no less than $7800 in value.

I no longer value points upgrade raffles on Qantas - confirmed pointy end on long haul is where I am at. Velocity sits well for me there.

While I agree with your general sentiments, 1 million points sounds to me like 2 return and 1 single trip to the UK in F - that's worth a lot more than $7800 to me.

VA wins on low taxes, but not being in an alliance and the limitations of their reward booking engine somewhat counterbalance this.

That's the problem with this sort of thread - there are swings and roundabouts with both VA and QF, and it is pretty easy to find negatives (and positives) with both airlines.

 

[boomy]

1 million points sounds to me like 2 return and 1 single trip to the UK in F - that's worth a lot more than $7800 to me.

Two return tickets to the UK in F on OW will cost you 300,000 USDM which are sold at ~$6,300AUD with 100% promo. Also, their taxes are much lower then QFF.

 

[serfty]

While I agree with your general sentiments, 1 million points sounds to me like 2 return and 1 single trip to the UK in F - that's worth a lot more than $7800 to me.
...

I was looking at a rough cost of 3 Transpacific First returns - but did use "arguably".

Why so low? Wouldn't that depend on the individual? What would 8 returns in business to BKK/HKG be worth even factoring into account the high fuel surcharges? ...

... Virgin ... in my opinion they are not a serious airline.

But Qantas is doing a great job at shooting themselves in the foot I am left with no choice.

That's the approximate $0.0078 value given by QF for cash and points redemptions and i did indicate "no less" than that.

As for being a "serious airline" VA has always got me to where I wanted to go ... and that is serious enough to me.

While VA continue to be significantly cheaper than QF for my travel i will continue to use them - luggage is not an issue as i don't check any.

 

[drron]

My major reasons are because my paid tickets are using circle routes in J.
So-devaluation of partner SCs.
-DXB hub meaning if we fly through DXB we can not visit Asia on a DONE4.
-poor timing of most Asian flights especially on the return.

Unrelated-high taxes on awards.

 

[kpc]

Poor onboard service without any warmth by staff who just don't seem to enjoy / be interested in their job, even in the J cabin!

 

[melodien]

My perspective is a little different. Last year I booked an itinerary for a family member, with flights on both Qantas and Virgin. Sadly, the family member died very suddenly and unexpectedly before the trip took place. Due to the sudden nature of the death, there was a Coroner's Inquest, which took many months. However, once I was able to obtain a full death certificate, Qantas refunded their portion of the itinerary in full. Virgin refused. Guess where my loyalties are tending at the moment.....

 

[Dick Savage]

.... Counting the BKK incident as a successful landing then ....

Um .... QF1's

VH-OJH's Don Muang ​

golf outing was neither a successful landing nor an "incident."

It was a classic "bean-counters-as-air-transport-operations' dictators um directors"/quota-hired "pilot-costumed-person"-caused ACCIDENT!

Shades of the SQ B-747-412/9V-SPK "deliberate" at Taipei and of the mass-murder of many by Silkair's B-737-300/9V-TRF's deranged Singaporean driver at Palembang -- and of too many others already happened and of many others, yet to.

Once an airline falls into the hands of its bean-counters and other bureaucrats (or, in Singapore's, also into those of its politicians and in Qantas's case, into those, also, of its every bit as bloody-minded and Eastern-Airlines-reminiscent, unions) it's time to look for a new ride.

Qantas never really made the transition from being an arm of the ACT bureaucracy and of - it follows - of the ALP and of its similarly-mobbed-up (and other than Pilots') unions.

And, given it effectively killed off the Australian Federation of Air Pilots and all of that outfit's passionate Aviators -- and began replacing them with low-bidder computer operators in pilot cozzies?

I am betting it never will.

Dick!

 

[yohy?!]

.... Counting the BKK incident as a successful landing then ....

Um .... QF1's

VH-OJH's Don Muang ​

golf outing was neither a successful landing nor an "incident."

It was a classic "bean-counters-as-air-transport-operations' dictators um directors"/quota-hired "pilot-costumed-person"-caused ACCIDENT!

Shades of the SQ B-747-412/9V-SPK "deliberate" at Taipei and of the mass-murder of many by Silkair's B-737-300/9V-TRF'sderanged Singaporean driver at Palembang -- and of too many others already happened and of many others, yet to.

Once an airline falls into the hands of its bean-counters and other bureaucrats (or, in Singapore's, also into those of its politicians and in Qantas's case, into those, also, of its every bit as bloody-minded and Eastern-Airlines-reminiscent, unions) it's time to look for a new ride.

Qantas never really made the transition from being an arm of the ACT bureaucracy and of - it follows - of the ALP and of its similarly-mobbed-up (and other than Pilots') unions.

And, given it effectively killed off the Australian Federation of Air Pilots and all of that outfit's passionate Aviators -- and began replacing them with low-bidder computer operators in pilot cozzies?

I am betting it never will.

Dick!

Wow...just wow!

 

[clazman]

Lets face it no one will ever be 100% with Qantas, we all have our quirkiness, wants and desires. What gripes me most is the average height worldwide is getting taller but the legroom is getting smaller on all airlines.

Yes, business class is a option most of the time, but on short flights < 3 hours a waste, bring premium economy onto domestic routes.

Would have thought it could save money as aircraft are interchangeable between domestic and international routes,

 

[rsellens]

Counting the BKK incident as a successful landing then, I take it?

Any pilot will tell you that a landing that you walk away from is a good landing.

 

[triple7]

My recent QF experiences have been all good. If you don't like them, don't fly them.

 

[rsellens]

My major reasons are because my paid tickets are using circle routes in J.
So-devaluation of partner SCs.
-DXB hub meaning if we fly through DXB we can not visit Asia on a DONE4.
-poor timing of most Asian flights especially on the return.

Unrelated-high taxes on awards.

Not quite true Drron. You can visit Asia on a DONE4 by returning from North America via Asia.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Shades of the SQ B-747-412/9V-SPK "deliberate" at Taipei and of the mass-murder of many by Silkair's B-737-300/9V-TRF'sderanged Singaporean driver at Palembang -- and of too many others already happened and of many others, yet to.

The QF1 incident in BKK resulted in no loss of life so how is that even remotely comparable to the SQ006 accident in TPE that killed 83 passengers?

There was nothing "deliberate" about SQ006 - they lined up on the incorrect runway. Silk Air yes, SQ no.