A couple of questions from an AAdvantage newbie

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Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

The AAdvantage elite qualifying system confuses me. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I get confused between EQM and EQP and what just increases your stock of miles and what counts towards requalifying for status. And I get confused by the double whatever it is for Platinum and how that impacts on requal too.

With that in mind, I'd really appreciate it if somebody could please tell me what my earnings (EQM, EQP, requal, status, whatever it all is) would be for the following, based on flying an eligible Business fare bucket on oneworld carriers as a AAdvantage Platinum:

Flight 1: 1045 miles
Flight 2: 1575 miles
Flight 3: 5994 miles
Flight 4: 3249 miles

It is explained in the platinum challenge thread here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-platinum-challenge-mileage-earning-8595.html

More detail in the very good the FT wiki: Miles and Points (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki

Okay. I've done some reading.

By my calculations, the above flights, which is 11863 miles, will earn me 29657 EQM (1186 x 2 + 25% cabin bonus) and 17794 EQP (11863 x 1.5). Actual mines earned (ie. miles that can be used for awards) will be just the 11863. Does that look right?
 
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Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Have a bit of a rant that I need to make, any feedback would be most appreciated.

Yesterday (Sunday) at just after 5pm AEDST, (1am US CDT) I went online to book an F milesAAver ticket for 18 Feb 2014 on QF metal (I had been following the availability on QF classic award search which indicated availability - no EF for me). This is just at the 331 day limit.

Went to search, it's still there but when I select it and go to book, the error message "the flight you selected is no longer available" comes up. Grrr.

I ring up the AA Oz number (re-routed to somewhere in the South Pacific, Fiji maybe?) and ask them why. They try to get onto AA in the US but can't and say it is just a matter of time until the awards are loaded.

I try a few more times (read: 10 or 20) in the next hour or so and the same error comes up.

Finally, at about 8am CST I ring up, explain the problem and then get transferred to the AA desk in the US. The AAgent wasn't able to find availability for any QF flight on that day regardless of class so there was nothing she could do except advise me to wait.

I then get transferred to someone in IT who tells me that the data doesn't get loaded in chronological order and is dependent on what data QF sends to AA. Basically there is nothing that AA can do on their end. I then ask why I can see the flight, go to select it but then at the next booking screen get told that it's "no longer available". He replies with something about not all the data being present.

This morning, some 8 hours later, I try again and it is still available but the same error comes up. It's still Sunday in the US so I don't bother ringing up as I don't think they'd be able to do anything that the previous staff couldn't do.

Later in the afternoon today (just after midnight CDT) I try again and someone has snapped it up! :mad: I check on the QF award booking engine and it's gone. However I can select a Y AAward on the same flight and go to the booking screen with no problem.

The kicker is the guy saying that the seats don't get released at the stroke of midnight, it could take any number of hours after that point for the booking engine to make it available and that this "issue" of non-AA flights being released "late" is a common one. He said that AA metal flights are released more or less on the stroke of midnight because it's already in their system.

However get this: the previous day (Saturday) I put a J milesAAver ticket - same QF route - on hold for the previous day 331 days out (17 Feb 2014) as a backup in case I couldn't get the F seat the following day. This was done with no problem at about 2am CDT. I've just paid for the ticket. If the system has some delay on a Sunday, wouldn't you expect the same on a Saturday?

Has anyone else experienced something like this before?
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Why not ring the US centre direct? I have a Voip account with Internode but there are many providers and international calls are really cheap. Get better service that way. I've been on the phone to the US centre recently and they have been great.

I do use BA.com for my searching though. You can get a free account at AwardNexus.com also which is the best search tool I have used thus far.

I have had Qantas seats disappear on me before also - couldn't book them online due to itinerary and while on hold to Qantas the flight disappeared.

Dale.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Okay. I've done some reading.

By my calculations, the above flights, which is 11863 miles, will earn me 29657 EQM (1186 x 2 + 25% cabin bonus) and 17794 EQP (11863 x 1.5). Actual mines earned (ie. miles that can be used for awards) will be just the 11863. Does that look right?

EQP is correct.

You seem to have EQM and RDM (ie the miles [or "points" as we know on QFF] used for awards) mixed up.

EQM is your base miles = 11,863
RDM is your base + cabin bonus + status bonus (11,863 + 2,966 + 11,863 respectively) = 26,692

Miles and Points (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki
Inventory Classes and Mileage Eligibility (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki

My understanding is that EQM is better for achieving status faster for those who fly in the "Economy Class (Deep-Discount Coach - 0.5 EQP)" classes, ie. GSNQO, and that EQP is better for those in premium cabins.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Why not ring the US centre direct? I have a Voip account with Internode but there are many providers and international calls are really cheap. Get better service that way. I've been on the phone to the US centre recently and they have been great.

I do use BA.com for my searching though. You can get a free account at AwardNexus.com also which is the best search tool I have used thus far.

I have had Qantas seats disappear on me before also - couldn't book them online due to itinerary and while on hold to Qantas the flight disappeared.

Dale.

AAdvantage customer service wasn't open then - only Monday to Friday, normal business hours, IIRC.

Unrelated, but they also said that if you make a booking via the call centre - even just to put it on hold and you pay for it online, then you still get charged the booking fee.

If the GLD desk at 8am on a Sunday couldn't help me then I don't think ringing back at 4pm to speak to the same people would be of much help.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

EQP is correct.

You seem to have EQM and RDM (ie the miles [or "points" as we know on QFF] used for awards) mixed up.

EQM is your base miles = 11,863
RDM is your base + cabin bonus + status bonus (11,863 + 2,966 + 11,863 respectively) = 26,692

Miles and Points (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki
Inventory Classes and Mileage Eligibility (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki

My understanding is that EQM is better for achieving status faster for those who fly in the "Economy Class (Deep-Discount Coach - 0.5 EQP)" classes, ie. GSNQO, and that EQP is better for those in premium cabins.

Great. Thanks.

So for the purposes of status requalification, I only need to worry about EQP and EQM, correct? RDM is purely the currency and has nothing to do with requal, right?

Base miles and EQM are the same thing?

I thought AA Platinum earn double EQM. Doesn't that mean I should earn 11863 x 2?
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Great. Thanks.

So for the purposes of status requalification, I only need to worry about EQP and EQM, correct? RDM is purely the currency and has nothing to do with requal, right?

Base miles and EQM are the same thing?

I thought AA Platinum earn double EQM. Doesn't that mean I should earn 11863 x 2?

For status requalification, segments also comes into play in addition to EQM and EQP:

Elite Status (AA) - FlyerGuide Wiki

Yes, RDM is the currency used for AAwards and other gifts/items etc.

Base miles are not always the same as EQM. Reasons why they could differ may be related to your AA status or booking class (namely some discounted Y fares). See the "miles and points" link in my previous post for some examples.

AA Plat earn double RDM, not EQM. The 100% bonus is also for EXP. GLD get a 25% bonus.

AFAIK, there are no EQM bonuses available.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Okay. I've done some reading.
By my calculations, the above flights, which is 11863 miles, will earn me 29657 EQM (1186 x 2 + 25% cabin bonus) and 17794 EQP (11863 x 1.5). Actual mines earned (ie. miles that can be used for awards) will be just the 11863. Does that look right?

Million miler miles (base miles or BIS) 11863
EQM 11863 points
EQP 11863*1.5 = 17794 points
RDM 11863 + 11863*0.25 (cabin bonus) + 11863*1.0 (status bonus) = 26692

(Aside) For crediting to AA
Most of QFs discount economy fares (not E Q N = 0 or H B Y= 100%) calculate base miles as 50% of segment miles. EQPs are then calculated from the awarded base miles. JL, even in the biz cabin, do not always grant base miles as 100% of segment miles. Some airlines will calculate base miles as a minimum of 500. Not all do.
The main difference between QF and AA is that AA in long haul economy will accrue decently towards status levels though you need to keep the fare class in mind. On QF unless you are flying in biz or first, it takes a large number of flights to accrue the required status credits.

Happy wandering through the details

Fred
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Kangol and wandering_fred, thank you both. I know AAdvantage shouldn't confuse me, but it does! More questions will come, no doubt.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

AAdvantage customer service wasn't open then - only Monday to Friday, normal business hours, IIRC.

Unrelated, but they also said that if you make a booking via the call centre - even just to put it on hold and you pay for it online, then you still get charged the booking fee.

If the GLD desk at 8am on a Sunday couldn't help me then I don't think ringing back at 4pm to speak to the same people would be of much help.

If you call 1-800-882-8880 then it is available 24hrs per day. It's a free call on Gmail and Skype.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Hi,

I am sure this has been answered but I can't find the answer sorry.

How are you allowed to route for travel to North America from Australia? Can you go via Hong Kong for example as they have greater availability.

Thanks,
Dale.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

No I'm afraid not. It becomes 2 awards SP-Asia, Asia-NA. If there are no direct services available (from SYD, MEL or BNE) to LAX/DFW you can always try via NAN on FJ. It might also be possible to travel via AKL/PPT to LAX on TN but I haven't seen anyone report success on that. You can also try multi-city search via HNL which will bring in HA flights.
 
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Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

No I'm afraid not. It becomes 2 awards SP-Asia, Asia-NA. If there are no direct services available (from SYD, MEL or BNE) to LAX/DFW you can always try via NAN on FJ. It might also be possible to travel via AKL/PPT to LAX on TN but I haven't seen anyone report success on that. You can also try muli-city search via HNL.

The Oneworld Award chart confirms this stating "Must be transpacific." Same thing is said going ex HKG. In saying that purchasing a $$ ticket to HKG and then using AA to go HKG-USA isn't a bad way to go either.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Hi,

Wondering if you can do Mel/Syd to LAX to HNL as one award or do you run into MPM problems?

The direct Syd/Mel to HNL flights are much harder to get availability on and the product isn't as good anyway. Much prefer the A380 for the long trip.

Thanks,
Dale.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Hi,

Wondering if you can do Mel/Syd to LAX to HNL as one award or do you run into MPM problems?

The direct Syd/Mel to HNL flights are much harder to get availability on and the product isn't as good anyway. Much prefer the A380 for the long trip.

Thanks,
Dale.

I don't think you will be able to book that. If on MPM it would be over. Also the carrier ie. QF would need to have a published fare SYD/MEL-xLAX-HNL.

If you are looking at J awards it will be easier to get availability on HA SYD-HNL-LAX than getting QF seats on SYD/MEL-LAX.

I'm going to the US in Dec and ended up using QFF JASA's to HKG and AA awards from there.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

They've announced the Elite rewards for this year, you have to click the link to register.

American Airlines Rewards For Elite Customers

I found a good discussion and comparison at this blog:

American publishes 2013 Elite Rewards — they’re AWESOME!!!!!! - One Mile at a Time

The potential bonuses seem pretty good and are a valuable way for higher earners to keep crediting/flying with AA.
If only QF would do such a thing (besides the 2400SC bonus and P1)!

Interesting how they have partner gold (OWR) as an option...
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Have a question re CX J availability.. I know you have to ring up as they (milesAAvers) are not available online, but for routes like HKG-JFK, is award availability generally quite good? How about MEL-HKG or SYD-HKG? I'm guessing they have the new CX reverse herringbone J on all flights out of Australia now?

I'm looking at award tickets for two (me and Mum) in well over a year from now but I'm doing some homework first....
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

You can have a look at CX availability online at QFF. AA should be the same although some people report phantom awards at QF. If necessary check availability on Awardnexus. CX awards are generally pretty good either 11 months out (see March 2014) and also close to lastminute (see June 2013) when CX seem to load vacant seats. There is no MilesAAver availabilty (North American only) so J is a standard 35000 miles award.
 
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Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

You can have a look at CX availability online at QFF. AA should be the same although some people report phantom awards at QF. If necessary check availability on Awardnexus. CX awards are generally pretty good either 11 months out (see March 2014) and also close to lastminute (see June 2013) when CX seem to load vacant seats. There is no MilesAAvers availabilty (North American only) so J is a standard 45000 miles award.

I also think that Award Nexus is good for searching CX availability. As an example QF.com will not show any awards on CX from JFK-YVR even although they can be booked via telephone as either QF or AA awards.
Travel on CX is usually via "One World and Other airline awards" formerly known as Partner awards.
Availability is based on AA MileSAAver inventory and a J award from Australia to HKG (South Pacific to Asia 2) is 35000 miles.
 
Re: Couple of AAdvantage questions from a newbie to it

Cheers to all in this thread. Courtesy of this thread and a few others, I am taking my father to DUB (from WLG) in J at the end of the year, and then I am coming back a month later in F. Spent a fair bit to get there, but $5k gets me in J to NZ, me and my father in J to DUB, and me in F back to SYD and onto DRW in J. Saved about $11k! :D

Now to decide where to sit on the A380 in F... 1A? 1K? 3A? 3k? (Row 2 is booked)
 
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